Quote: Original post by dirk1
im saying again that the game itself does not need shader package 3.0 to run its just programmed that way

Well, you don't know that, it might or might not be the case.

Quote: but this is just a slight piece of code as i understand, if im wrong please fill me in.

In theory it could just be a slight piece of code. In practice, due to deadlines and getting things done and working, code that requires shader model 3.0 might be mangled all over the place - who knows.

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Quote: Original post by dirk1
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(only difference he has an ati and i have the nvidia but both are comparable in specs, trust me on that)

And what if I don't trust you? [wink]

Name the ATI card and we'll see how they compare [smile]

ok mine is nvidia geforce fx 5500 256 mb

his is 128mb ATI9550pro

Quote: Original post by dmatter

Quote: Original post by dirk1
im saying again that the game itself does not need shader package 3.0 to run its just programmed that way

Well, you don't know that, it might or might not be the case.

Quote: but this is just a slight piece of code as i understand, if im wrong please fill me in.

In theory it could just be a slight piece of code. In practice, due to deadlines and getting things done and working, code that requires shader model 3.0 might be mangled all over the place - who knows.

i was hoping you did :)

Quote: Original post by dirk1
i suspecte3d u guys to be more or less capable of comprehending possibilities without them being described in programming language.

Many of us are engineers: we evaluate the possibilities based on our (hopefully good) understanding of the complexity of hardware and software.

Don't get me wrong though: I like hacking (in the sense of making something do what it wasn't supposed to do) just as much as another guy. [smile]
I'm just pointing out that even if it is possible, it isn't as easy and straightforward as might think.

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Quote: Original post by dirk1
i suspecte3d u guys to be more or less capable of comprehending possibilities without them being described in programming language.

Many of us are engineers: we evaluate the possibilities based on our (hopefully good) understanding of the complexity of hardware and software.

Don't get me wrong though: I like hacking (in the sense of making something do what it wasn't supposed to do) just as much as another guy. I'm just pointing out that even if it is possible, it might no be as easy as you think.

i see : i was not really thinking it would be easy but id be more than happy to try it :)
just needed some direction and i think i have that now
so thx again and dont stop posting on my erroneous ways of thinking or possibilities i have not yet considered:)

Quote: Original post by dirk1
i was hoping you did :)

Why would I? I didn't write their engine.

You could try contacting them but I doubt you'll get very far unless you have a legitimate cause to believe they've needlessly over specified their requirements, in which case they might release a patch to snag that extra demographic.

Assuming the NVidia and ATI cards are similar then why don't you just do the same thing again?
Other than that, hacking it to work yourself is going to be non-trivial; not really worth the time => buy a better video card or return the game [smile]

Quote: Original post by dmatter

Quote: Original post by dirk1
i was hoping you did :)

Why would I? I didn't write their engine.

You could try contacting them but I doubt you'll get very far unless you have a legitimate cause to believe they've needlessly over specified their requirements, in which case they might release a patch to snag that extra demographic.

Assuming the NVidia and ATI cards are similar then why don't you just do the same thing again?
Other than that, hacking it to work yourself is probably non-trivial => buy a better video card or return the game [smile]

hehe
to specify on the cards i have checked his system requirements and they failed miserably , still i was able to install the game without resistance and more important , it ran without any pop up saying it couldnt.
after that i just tweaked everything so that it ran fine even on multiplayer.
but i made no adjustments whatsoever during install or after.
thats why i was surprised to see my slightly higher rated card couldnt even run it at all without surgery.
and the surgery-routine has yet to be decided/discovered
:)

Quote: Original post by dirk1

Quote: Original post by dmatter

Quote: Original post by dirk1
i was hoping you did :)

Why would I? I didn't write their engine.

You could try contacting them but I doubt you'll get very far unless you have a legitimate cause to believe they've needlessly over specified their requirements, in which case they might release a patch to snag that extra demographic.

Assuming the NVidia and ATI cards are similar then why don't you just do the same thing again?
Other than that, hacking it to work yourself is probably non-trivial => buy a better video card or return the game [smile]

hehe
to specify on the cards i have checked his system requirements and they failed miserably , still i was able to install the game without resistance and more important , it ran without any pop up saying it couldnt.
after that i just tweaked everything so that it ran fine even on multiplayer.
but i made no adjustments whatsoever during install or after.
thats why i was surprised to see my slightly higher rated card couldnt even run it at all without surgery.
and the surgery-routine has yet to be decided/discovered
:)

What do you mean with tweaking? It sounds like your only changing some settings inside the game. And I don't think you realy understand the problem. When it checks for Shader Model 3 and fails, you can crack the .exe and make an (illegal) exe wich doesn't do this check. But this won't make your card suport it. I mean your car can't drive on plane fuel, but the car won't stop you from putting the stuf into your car. Its when you ignite your engine the trouble begins. So you would (after you cracked the exe) need to recode all the shaders, and this doesn't seem as something you can do becouse when you talk about your soo l33t tweaking, you speak of config/ini files. And shaders ain't like config/ini files, it is one thing to program a shader. But its an other thing to recode it to work on older hardware.

Just my 2 cents.

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Quote: Original post by dirk1

Quote: Original post by dmatter

Quote: Original post by dirk1
i was hoping you did :)

Why would I? I didn't write their engine.

You could try contacting them but I doubt you'll get very far unless you have a legitimate cause to believe they've needlessly over specified their requirements, in which case they might release a patch to snag that extra demographic.

Assuming the NVidia and ATI cards are similar then why don't you just do the same thing again?
Other than that, hacking it to work yourself is probably non-trivial => buy a better video card or return the game [smile]

hehe
to specify on the cards i have checked his system requirements and they failed miserably , still i was able to install the game without resistance and more important , it ran without any pop up saying it couldnt.
after that i just tweaked everything so that it ran fine even on multiplayer.
but i made no adjustments whatsoever during install or after.
thats why i was surprised to see my slightly higher rated card couldnt even run it at all without surgery.
and the surgery-routine has yet to be decided/discovered
:)

What do you mean with tweaking? It sounds like your only changing some settings inside the game. And I don't think you realy understand the problem. When it checks for Shader Model 3 and fails, you can crack the .exe and make an (illegal) exe wich doesn't do this check. But this won't make your card suport it. I mean your car can't drive on plane fuel, but the car won't stop you from putting the stuf into your car. Its when you ignite your engine the trouble begins. So you would (after you cracked the exe) need to recode all the shaders, and this doesn't seem as something you can do becouse when you talk about your soo l33t tweaking, you speak of config/ini files. And shaders ain't like config/ini files, it is one thing to program a shader. But its an other thing to recode it to work on older hardware.

Just my 2 cents.

yes you understood correctly, i was talking about simple ini/config tweaks.
in this case .and thats where i'd normally stick with to adjust games as needed.
only with this particular game it won't do the trick.
lol and you say something about my "l33t tweaking".
where i'm specifically stating i am a noob , but even i am able to "tweak"
if you try you will know what i mean.
and yes im aware that in this matter , that will not do the trick.
that was the whole idea of this post my friend:)
getting into a specific direction to look for an answer that might suffice.
so you can spare your 2 cents and next time youll start with 4 :)

and are you certain about the .exe cracking: that would be illegal no matter what?
is it the only way?

i was thinking more on some sort of intervening piece of code, for instance like you would put in a string in the target of the .exe that would redirect to a file you'ld place in the game folder overwriting or force-skipping certain procedures that are responsible for the forced termination of the exe.

does that really sound so stupid ? im sorry:)