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Might need a new laptop

Started by November 26, 2007 09:42 AM
34 comments, last by AndreTheGiant 16 years, 11 months ago
Quote: Original post by Ravuya
This is pretty much why I recommend a Mac; when my machine developed a motherboard fault, I took it to a service centre, pushed it across the desk, and received it back within a day, with some other parts fixed as necessary. They also do complete replacements of the machine after successive faults, and even comped me a free power adaptor when one of the techs screwed up a keyboard alignment.


I've always used PCs and I've never had to deal with what I delt with at Dell, so I can only suggest that the issue isn't with PC but with how Dell operate. Or don't operate for that matter.
Actually, Mac laptops are not only nice looking and good quality, but are very cost-competitive with PC-based laptops.

Given that you can use boot camp to install windows natively, or virtualize a Windows session through parallels or similar, Mac laptops are some of the best Windows laptops you can buy.

Yes you can find cheaper PC-based laptops on the low end of the market, but Apple is very competitive in the mid-high end spectrum.

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Quote: Original post by instinKt
Quote: Original post by Ravuya
This is pretty much why I recommend a Mac; when my machine developed a motherboard fault, I took it to a service centre, pushed it across the desk, and received it back within a day, with some other parts fixed as necessary. They also do complete replacements of the machine after successive faults, and even comped me a free power adaptor when one of the techs screwed up a keyboard alignment.


I've always used PCs and I've never had to deal with what I delt with at Dell, so I can only suggest that the issue isn't with PC but with how Dell operate. Or don't operate for that matter.


Probably Dell. My brother had one of their laptops. The sound went out on it during warranty and they wouldn't fix it. They claimed it was "user damage". So he had to just buy one of those crappy USB sound cards. His next computer was a Mac :).

Macs do seem like they have a lot of benefits and I have nothing against the actual machines. What I have issues with is people who use Macs just simply saying "Get a Mac". I hear it all the time but what I rarely hear is any intelligent reasoning WHY one should "get a Mac" (no I'm not asking for reasons).

It's the same problem with a lot of OS suggestions also, "get linux!" "Get FreeBSD!" or even language suggestions "use c++!" "use chineese!!". It just stinks of mindless crowd following.

Anyway, that's my rant for the morning. Time for some real work!
Quote: Original post by Ravuya
I recommend it against an ODM; for sure, you're paying a few hundred bucks' premium more for a machine that runs Windows just as well, but the warranty service is completely worth it.


The warranty comes from the reseller. There are plenty of ODM resellers with excellent warranties. Sager has a standard 1 year which is remarkably similar to Apples. Power Notebooks is a 3 year with a laptop purchase over $1,066.03 (strange price to start from) and Xotic PC offers a 1 year parts, 3 year labor warranty standard. The benefit of having a service center to take it to instead of mailing it in (paid by the reseller both ways) is quite nice however.
Quote: Original post by NickGravelyn
I also tried to find a "build-a-laptop" solution, but that doesn't seem to work very well.


What didn't work well about it?

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Quote: Original post by tstrimp
Quote: Original post by NickGravelyn
I also tried to find a "build-a-laptop" solution, but that doesn't seem to work very well.


What didn't work well about it?


I couldn't really find the parts I wanted at a price I was willing to pay. I was using NewEgg and it seemed like I would wind up spending close to what my Mac cost me but having a much uglier case and no hardware support. Maybe others found a better way, but while I build my own PC towers, I don't think I'll ever do so with my laptops. I enjoy having a warranty on it since I take it around with me.

Although I don't appreciate the blind "Use a Mac" type of comments, the general direction of this thread has forced me to actually give Macs a fair consideration. I have some pretty big questions about Macs, and non-biased answers are greatly appreciated.

My first and most important question is, Is it true that Macs are used for entirely different purposes than PCs? Even the Mac commercials seem to be trying to enforce this major difference between PCs and Macs. The Mac Douche makes fun of the PC guy, saying that he is only good for number crunching and the like. Well as I said, this laptop will be for work, and my work is certainly more about number crunching than it is about making family photo albums and other artsy-fartsy stuff like that. So its an important question to me.

Another important question is, Can Macs run Windows? Sounds like a stupid question, and Ive always the the answer was "of course not, it runs the Mac OS", but I just thought I would check and make sure. Our company is very much a "Microsoft shop", and I need to be able to work with MS Visual Studio, MS SQL Server, and other Microsoft technologies that I can only assume don't run on a Mac.

I guess I'll wait for some answers for these important questions before bothering to ask more detailed ones.
Quote: Original post by AndreTheGiant
My first and most important question is, Is it true that Macs are used for entirely different purposes than PCs? Even the Mac commercials seem to be trying to enforce this major difference between PCs and Macs. The Mac Douche makes fun of the PC guy, saying that he is only good for number crunching and the like. Well as I said, this laptop will be for work, and my work is certainly more about number crunching than it is about making family photo albums and other artsy-fartsy stuff like that. So its an important question to me.

In general, the mac has a much wider usage in the graphics/video/audio/design field than it does in other fields. In some speciality fields, and traditionally in games, there are less software options for Macs, which causes many people to shy away - however, now that you can install Windows on a Mac, along with Wine, cedega and other virtualisation options, this barrier is gone.

Quote: Another important question is, Can Macs run Windows? Sounds like a stupid question, and Ive always the the answer was "of course not, it runs the Mac OS", but I just thought I would check and make sure. Our company is very much a "Microsoft shop", and I need to be able to work with MS Visual Studio, MS SQL Server, and other Microsoft technologies that I can only assume don't run on a Mac.

All recent Macs support dual-boot with Windows. I can say from experience that my MacBook Pro is one of the fastest XP machines I have ever used, and I have had no problems whatsoever. Vista runs nicely as well, though I don't personally favour it. Most linux variants run fine too, although the driver support can be hit or miss.

In addition, both Parallels and VMWare have very good virtualisation software, which allow you to run Windows in a VM, which works nicely as long as you don't need hardware graphics support, or similar.

Beyond that, CrossOver is doing very nicely with their version of Wine, which allows you to run many Windows applications directly on the Mac - this works very well for some software, and not at all for others. I do however have half-life 2 running quite nicely... If you combine CrossOver with Mono (to get .Net support), you can get a very decent number of applications running natively.

Edit: I notice you don't give any reason for wanting a laptop, beyond "working at home", while most people I know with laptops use them for exactly the opposite reason. Laptops are, in general, slower, noisier, more expensive, have smaller screens, smaller hard drive, etc. and are much more likely to break. The only good reason to have a laptop, as far as I can tell, is if you have to travel a lot to places without a computer.

In my case, I am a student, so I need a computer with me while at home, or at University, leaving me with no real choice in the matter. Given that you work from home, and presumably a computer is available when you need to go to the office, it would seem to make more sense to get a nice desktop at home, and getting some networked storage (or a portable hard drive you can carry into the office) to access the same data from both machines.

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swiftcoder, thanks so much for the useful post.

I guess I'll be sticking with a Windows PC. Although its promising that Macs are so flexible, and can run Windows "to some extent", I think that the real thing is still what I'm after. PCs and Macs each have their Pros and Cons, but I want all the Pros of a PC, and none of the Cons of a Mac, so its a no-brainer for me.

I don't get why everyone is challenging my reason for wanting a laptop... can't you just take my word for it? lol. Anyway, when I said I am "working at home", I guess what I really meant is that I am "no longer working at the office". Subtle difference I guess. Although I am working at home right now, I could technically be working anywhere that has an internet connection. If I had a laptop, I could go home and visit my parents at Christmas, or go visit my brother across the country for a few days, or my friend in BC for a few days, all without missing a day of work.

OK, now that we've established that I DO want a laptop and I DONT want a Mac, I would like to please get back to my original question...


Does anyone know of a laptop retailer that won't force me to purchase windows Vista, or any other OS, since I want to use my existing copy of windows XP?

Any other laptop specific tips would be greatly appreciated.

By the way I live in Canada and want to buy from a Canadian store.

Thanks.

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