Simple really... I need a chunky 3DSM book and there are a few out there. I already have the visual quick start guide so I can model and animate at a basic level + I''ve been using TrueSpace 3 for a year and a half before. What I want is a really good reference book. It would be good to have plenty of tutorials with it but I find you usually get one or the other. I want something for animation as well as modeling, something with character animation as well and also guides for materials and lighting..hehe am I asking for everything? Probably... I get the feeling I''ll have to get books that specialise on each area...I think there is a book that focuses on materials, textures etc... in itself.... Any tips? -------------------------- "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -Bill Gates 1981