hmmm. . . well I agree it''s not safe to post ideas with everyone that can access them. Yes I know it''s good to share your ideas but other people would like to share some of your ideas too if you know what I mean. I think that if you have questions and would like some other opinions about your ideas you should find some people to mail you their signature stating they will not reproduce, or use any of the material that you are going to share with them. But hey! if you want to share thats great, but don''t say we didn''t warn you!

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just like many of you i have had literally hundreds of gameing ideas, and just like you all said they have all been done in some form or fashion before.

But, what if you did have something new, something that couldnt even be placed in one of todays genre?

How would you go about finding someone to talk to this about?

lunasol : i believe that was a rather crude selfish remark on your behalf. I dont think that it was necessary to point the finger at someone for no other reason than to patronise. If im a nationalist - then you''re a racist. Same deal.

I dont see why i should make myself clearer to someone as one dimensional as yourself, but i was actually referring to the fact of someone stealing my ideas and using them where i wouldnt even know were being used.

Do you think that if i wanted to make it clear that i was negative towards the entire human race (thats a thought.. hmm) then wouldnt i just be one of those lamers posting about it? Hrmmm.. and would i really be bothering to post openGL related stuff/game programming ideas towards someone''s question?

You seem extremely childishly sad to make such inhumane critical comments towards someone you dont even know.

I do believe that games today lack originality, and in my opinion so do most movies. There were very few movies that came out last year that didn't have something I had seen relating to something else before. Mass Market is a lot to blame cause if people keep buying the same unoriginal titles as they keep coming out it doesn't create the demand for the ingenuity and creativty. Plus on a developers side why do they want to make a game no one will play or buy, a lot of work goes into they want gaurenteed results. It's from the users of sites like this that the next big genre will emerge or at least an idea from an independent programmer/designer will be evolved into something more substantial. People (in general) who complain about the lack of unoriginality and want to see games taken in a new direction need to put their greed and pride aside and take some risks on explaining your ideas to other people. If everyone always kept their ideas to them self nobody would have anything to show. Substantial results usually require risks.

Those are just some of my thoughts on the issue.

"There is humor in everything depending on which prespective you look from."

Edited by - chronoslade on April 11, 2001 8:07:02 AM

Edited by - chronoslade on April 11, 2001 2:45:57 PM

>>make a mmorpg that is based around cops and robbers.
you would have your drug czar, corrupt da, interntal affairs
cops on the beat and you could choose the path of crime or justice. course i also was thinking if that would cause a lot of flak from the media but who cares about the rightwinged democrat scumbags anyway<<

sounds very similar to a game on the amiga from about 12-13 years ago. i cant remember the name ''crime syndicate?'' or someit.

tim sweeny summing up everything a couple of days ago on voodooextreme. true a lot shitty ideas make it into games eg quake3. the odds of someone off the street walking into a company and saying you should make such + such a game , itll be cool. and the company actually doing it are NIL.
truth be told ive heard some ''wonderful ideas'' from ppl which are either A or B.
A/
me/ its exactly like such + such a game.
person/ no its not ours is set in the future instead of present time + our levels are twice as big.
me/ say what!!
B/ the above and also just plain crap.

those are the facts now deal with it

From Badkarma: Why are games compnies so closed minded and won''t entertain new ideas from people on the outside?
Tim Sweeney -- Well, there''s no global shortage of game ideas! There is a shortage of developers able to see those ideas through to successful completion.

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another cool game i was thinking about is another mmorpg

its called world war online and you get to choice which country you would side for and it would utilize current generation technology as far as defense goes and you would battle it out i gues like ww2 online but in the present

Anybody that says there are no new ideas out there or all ideas have been used lack imagination. The Patent Office in 1890 (I believe this is the correct date) about closed it''s doors and released a statement explaining they would be giving out no more patents because everything that would ever be invented already was. Think what the world would be like today if that happened, we would all still be riding horses everywhere, and no computers. The new concepts and ideas are out there as mentioned above, there is just a limited few people that have the knowledge and experience to implement these new ideas properly. If you think there are no new ideas then just sit back and wait ten years a see what pops up. Eventually people will get tired of the FPS mindless fragfests, and unless MMORPGs start developing more expansivly with new innovations eventually those will dwindle off to. Just as when Super Mario Bros. came out...Everybody played it all the time, how many people do you know sit down and play SMB for hours at a time now. Give it time, or if you have the ingenuity to implement an idea go for it, either way the next big thing is probably right around the corner.


"There is humor in everything depending on which prespective you look from."

Sharing ideas is good, just ask John Carmack, but be sure to always have an edge on the competition, just ask John Carmack
The thing is that technologie can be spread around, and shared quite easily, since the things a gamedevelopper ''invents'' are probably based on some professors thoughts, or things that have been invented in the past. What game developpers do invent, technologie wise, are mostly hacks and tricks, or simplifications/specialisations of generalized theories.
What can''t be discussed however, is a gameplay/story idea, that would be like asking a musician to play you his music so you can record it yourself and release it as your own. Knowledge is Money, its as simple as that.

There are two ways : you work and think for YOUR benefit(god save Microsoft) OR you work and think for EVERYBODY benefits (god save Linux). Knowledge is not money. Knowledge begin to be gold when you pass it to one another freely. I''m afraid of people who want to patent on mind production. Once you think an idea it belongs to mankind. If you want to keep credit for this idea, colyleft it but don''t try to make money with. It''s a cynical disease. Anybody out there have heard the proceedings pharmaceutical industry have institute to South Africa about aids generic medicine?

There''s a difference between writing tutorials, or an open-source engine to help teach other programmers certain ''techniques'' and actually sharing your original game concepts. A piece of software technology can be used in fifty different games, but an original game concept can only be used once.

If you have a genuinely fantastic and original game concept, you would be well advised not to discuss it in an open forum.