Well I have desided to just get a desktop and just an AC for just my room(for those who had read my other post). In the pass I have just customer built my system from a small local computer store but they are no longer around and i really don't trust Newegg when it comes to computer part(took 1 month and 3 video cards before i got one that actually worked) so i have been looking around for good gaming desktops. This seems to be the best on i found from I http://www.cyberpowerpc.com, what do you think? think i can get something better somewhere else? CASE: CoolerMaster Stacker 830 Tower(NZXT 850WATT Power Supply Quad SLI Ready) CPU: (Sckt775)Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E6600 CPU @ 2.4GHz 1066FSB 2x2MB L2 Cache EM64T MOTHERBOARD: (Quad-Core Supports) Asus P5N-E nForce 650i SLI Chipset LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2 Mainboard MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)2GB (2x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (($40 off Mail-In Rebate) Corsair XMS2 Xtreme Memory w/ Heat Spreader) VIDEO CARD: NEW!!! NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB 16X PCI Express (XFX Extreme Edition Powered by NVIDIA) VIDEO CARD 2: NONE LCD Monitor: NONE HARD DRIVE: Single Hard Drive (500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD) Data Hard Drive: NONE Optical Drive: Sony Q170A 18x Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive (BLACK COLOR) Optical Drive 2: NONE SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO OS:Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Ultimate(not sure if it is 32-bit or 64-bit) TOTAL: $2283 This also has a 3 year limited warranty(not sure what that means).This in the best price I have found that give me my min req of 2GB Ram, Best Video Card(is there anything better than the GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB 16X PCI Express), 500GB HD, E6600 2.4GHz. Also about the OS, if they have both 32-bit and 64-bit which one should I get(assume that processor is 64-bit). I have heard that vista does not cupport 64-bit right now that well, is this true? oh and i am also planning on getting 2 of these LCD monitors: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001088

He is another system i found from ibuypower:

NZXT DUET ATX Mid-Tower Case w/400W Power Supply
** iBUYPOWER Recommended for SLI ** NZXT 850W Power Supply [Quad SLI Ready]
Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6600 (2x 2.4GHz/4MB L2 Cache/1066FSB)
CoolerMaster Liquid CPU Cooling Fan System Kit
MSI P6N SLI-F nForce 650i SLI Chipset w/7.1 Sound, Gb LAN, S-ATA, USB 2.0, IEEE 1394, PCI-E MB2048MB [1024MB X2] DDR2-800 PC6400 Memory Module Corsair XMS2 Xtreme w/Heat Spreader
500 GB HARD DRIVE [Serial-ATA-II, 3Gb, 7200 RPM, 16M Cache]
Sony Q170A Dual Format/Double Layer 18X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive
Logisys Multi-function Panel with Remote control
Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate

Total: 2035

The 400W power supply from that second machine won't power a system with a 8800 in it. Btw: that machine doesn't even seem to have a graphics card in the spec?

The first system seems to be built from quality parts, although I don't understand why you couldn't just buy the same parts from NewEgg. I've had good results with NewEgg; when I have an occasional bum component, it's usually because I haven't done my home-work, or have taken a chance on some low-cost part.

Am I the only one who finds it hillarious that someone is building a computer for >$2000 with 2GB of ram in it?

I wish someone would explain the logic behind buying high priced ram types instead of more ram? Last I checked the difference between 533 speed cheap crap ram and 800 speed low latency overclocked (and over voltage unfortunately) ram was about 5-8% total performance increase.

If you are looking for most bang for buck I highly recommend:

550-700 Watt PS (but DO use a good brand / quality), more is totally unused and unneeded, but PS quality makes the most difference to computer stability.

Motherboard - whatever you want, personally I find the current $70 motherboards using last gen chipsets are good enough for me (I don't need dual NIC linking or the other top end features - and as shown on a review of video card bandwidth needs, even Dual 8800 GTX cards barely benifit from going beyond SLI over 8X channels - so don't bother with $200 motherboards just to get the 2 X 16X lanes, go standard SLI board that uses 1 16x or dual 8x).

Memory, get 4GB, period. Isn't needed by hardly any game but Supreme Commander right now, but it does matter, and will matter a LOT with games like Alan Wake.

Video Card - 8800 GTX (or for those saving money 8800 GTS, or for those REALLY saving money X1950 Pro or XT for now, replace later).

Hard Drive - size depends on you anything 250 GB or larger is fine, and 7200 RPM, 16MB is good. 10,000 RPM generates more heat and noise, but if your super picky about load times (I'm not) it does help.

Optical - any current DVD+-RW for about $30

Sound - onboard or add an X-Fi your choice. I'd use the onboard first, then add an X-Fi after the fact if I felt the need.

OS: Personally I can't use Vista, cause I need compatibility with my old DOS and Win32 games from the 1995 - 1998 era (So I use XP Media Center Edition 2005 for about $110 OEM). A few games don't work since SP2 though, so I'm pissed at Microsoft anyway ... for not offering an OS that will play all my Windows 95 games correctly. I mean I have over 200 of them and I don't accept BS lines about "security" - I have 6 computers, only 3 on the internet, if I want some of my computers to be "insecure" so that they can run software correctly, that's my right, and you'd think they'd take my money and give me a license for a product they've already built. Also - Vista doesn't run Visual Studio 6 and Visual Studio .NET 2003 correctly, both of which I need).

First of all the second spec(the one I am most likely going to go for) has a 850W power supply, the 400 one is just the one with the case, right below lists to other one. Also that spec does have a 880 GTX 768MB Video Card(I believe that is the best card currently out right now for any company).

As for the power supply I think I will be going with the Thermaltake Toughpower 700 Watt V2.01 Power Supply.

As for the ram, 2GB seems more than good for me. Where do you get that Supreme Commander *needs* 4GB, the min requirments are 512MB which means it should run fine on 1GB. it would cost me an extra $350(which is what my 2 19inch LCD monitors are going to cost, and i can use them alot more than 2 extra GB of ram that will just be sitting there unused) to get 4GB of ram when i right now have no reason to get that much. If i get to the point where i do need extra ram i can just buy the 2GB of ram and install it myself from newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145590 and that would only cost me 150, not 350.

As for the OS, i might as well get the Vista OS sicne i can get it alot cheaper now instead of buying it later. I have XP Professional so if need be i will just install that and wait till i can reinstall Vista. I am not surprised that VS 2003 is not supported for Vista, it just Microsoft pushing thier new products, which is nothing new for microsoft, but i have 2005 anyways not no problem there.

This spec(the second one for 2000) seems to give me exactly what i need which the major thing being the best video card i can get. Give me a link where i can get the same CPU/Video Card and 4GB for 2000 and i will take a look at it.

I have Supreme Commander and no, it doesn't "need" 4GB. It does in fact "need" 1GB to run any but the smallest maps well. What I meant by "need" was that in order to get the benifit of a system this good, and play the game in all its glory (such as on epic maps with many players) you NEED 4GB of ram, period. Me and 2 of my friends have 1 GB of RAM, another friend has 2 GB, the second GB of ram makes his gameplay MUCH smoother on the 10x10 and 20x20 maps (SC has 5, 10, 20, 40 and 80 km maps) Us 1 GB people can only play 5 and 10 km maps perfectly, and 20 km maps ok (and I can play 40 and 80km maps if only 2 players on minimum detail setting).

I am saying not that 2GB of ram isn't a fine amount, but that, given the computer you all have speced (a very expensive top end gaming machine) 4GB of ram will make more difference than 2GB of juiced up high priced ram. That's all. And that that extra 2GB of ram doesn't matter much for any game now (except Sup Com) but will matter more and more through the next 12 months.

Anyone with a 8800 GTX who isn't maxing out their gameplay and detail settings, just isn't doing their video card and their monetary investment justice.

Anyway, I totally agree that often you buy less ram with the computer and add more yourself, because computer builders charge a LOT for ram. So feel free to get just 1 or 2GB now, just make sure there are 2 empty ram slots so you don't have to throw any out to move up to 4 GB later. I usually do the same thing with other expensive add-ins (video card, sound card, RAM, etc ..)