try www.wildtangent.com it is an api for graphics (3d aswell) basicallay it is a com wrapper for java/vb/vbscript/java-script/c/c++. Its free and realy is good. and no i am in no way asscociated with them. Its just that it is realy cool. Note: you need and @com awhere compilers (vis j++ works) well oooaaaah my head hurts. what is 1*1 ?. why can this math stuff be easy?