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Based on the original, now derailed and closed, thread at: http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=278935

I am interested in the details of creating/hiring an offshore development site. What a whopper topic on GameDev. In all my time spent here I've only seen two to three posters who weren't American. But I don't believe that I am stealing jobs from the states overseas. To put it frankly, I would love be able to do so much more with what I have. A dream of mine would be to invest $[comically low sum] into any of a few different game ideas of mine - I wouldn't have the luxery of a few million to throw around which even a mediocre company could do. $70,000 junior programmer annual salary versus $10-25,000? No contest for me. Sure, paying more usually corollates to higher quality, but beggers can't be choosers. Trying to realize this solely within America would be nigh impossible; it simply wouldn't happen, and in the end, nobody would get paid (maybe one guy, for a few years). If anybody is willing to provide more information on this process, or where it would be found, I would greatly appreciate it. Please do not derail this thread as the last one with your opinion on the pros or cons of globalization, various statistical data, or anecodatal evidence supporting your opinion.

Try Eastern Europe. They have very talented coders over there with high qualifications who are willing to work and love to stay at their home.
Seriously, give Russia, Poland, Romania, ... a try!
And with regards to the AP: there's nothing that cannot be outsourced if you do it with the right people.

AP: Are you trying to imply that there are no game developers in Eastern Europe?
This is just plain ignorant.
You've already been proven WRONG, BTW... Not to mention these guys, but what do I know - I'm just a stupid European who actually knows some guys in Poland and Russia[headshake]...

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Original post by Anonymous Poster Even if you do, they will end up costing about as much as American ones.

Yeah - I see you know what you're talking about.

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Original post by Coda A27 In all my time spent here I've only seen two to three posters who weren't American. But I don't believe that I am stealing jobs from the states overseas.

You really have spent too little time here [smile]

If you're serious, I currently work for its.co.cr, an outsourcing company in Costa Rica, we work with such companies as Intel and Chiquita brands.

What exactly do you have in mind?

Kwizatz: According to the AP, there are no game developers in Costa Rica! [smile]

The AP is not only wrong about Eastern Europe but about India too. There are companies in India doing both outsourced coding and art for game development.

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Original post by Anonymous Poster You cant outsource game development. There are no companies in India that would do this for you. Indian outsourcing companies are specialized in business apps (JAVA,DATABASE,PHP, etc etc), they don't know jack about 3d graphics, math, game development. Sorry.

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Original post by Anonymous Poster thats not what i meant at all. Of course there are talented game programmers in eastern europe. However, the question was about companies that accept outsourced projects, in the range of 25,000$ If you know one of these, please post a link.

Oh heavens no, you have misunderstood me. I was just comparing the base salary pay of a worker, not total project costs. A single programmer whether American or not is still only a programmer and not an artist or audio engineer. A realistic budget would be in the range of six-digits; a significant amount, but again paltry compared to industry budgets.

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Original post by Coda A27 $70,000 junior programmer annual salary versus $10-25,000? No contest for me.

That doesn't seem right. About £15K is a junior programmer in the UK. That translates to about $22,500. Even assuming higher wages in the US (true?) $25K seems reasonable. No idea what the wage is in Eastern Bloc nations though...