Quote: Original post by Boku San
But there's one thing there I don't agree with.

Quote: A few years later PaRappa the Rapper was a massive hit. The moron.

That makes a bigger statement about the [potential] possibility of the genre's popularity than it does about the music.

Obviously. The point is that it isn't the music that makes or breaks the game/genre, and that LaMothe was wrong in suggesting that rap would taint the potential of a game. Nobody thinks PaRappa is the be all and end all of rap. Hell, nobody thinks a bonafide legend like 2Pac is the be all and end all of rap!

Random trivia: The term "edutainment" was coined by Bronx rapper KRS-One.

Quote: Original post by fractoid
What topic was I 'giving analysis' on?

I wasn't talking to you, or to any specific individual. Haven't you ever seen the pronoun "you" used generically?

Ugh.

As for the rest of your disagreements, whatever. I feel that there is a tangible connection between rap and the black community, and I feel that dismissive denigration of rap in America is predominantly the result of a dismissive or discriminatory attitude toward the black community in America. YMMV. IDAGF.

Quote: Original post by Oluseyi

Quote: Original post by Boku San
But there's one thing there I don't agree with.

Quote: A few years later PaRappa the Rapper was a massive hit. The moron.

That makes a bigger statement about the [potential] possibility of the genre's popularity than it does about the music.

Obviously. The point is that it isn't the music that makes or breaks the game/genre, and that LaMothe was wrong in suggesting that rap would taint the potential of a game. Nobody thinks PaRappa is the be all and end all of rap. Hell, nobody thinks a bonafide legend like 2Pac is the be all and end all of rap!

Random trivia: The term "edutainment" was coined by Bronx rapper KRS-One.

On a completely unrelated note, Pac-Man has in fact destroyed the nation...nay, the world. If not for that game, there would not be so many people running around in dark rooms munching on purple pills and listening to techno.

Random trivia: Most people [in the US] have no idea that opera is even linked to Italian. Bet money.

Also, a lot of rap music in recent months seems to be more religious than normal. Actually, I'd say in the past few years (because of 9/11?). The entire gangster rap trend has shifted since 2000...but I guess trends do that. That was how rap got started anyway.

Quote: Original post by Oluseyi

Quote: Original post by fractoid
What topic was I 'giving analysis' on?

I wasn't talking to you, or to any specific individual. Haven't you ever seen the pronoun "you" used generically?

Ugh.

As for the rest of your disagreements, whatever. I feel that there is a tangible connection between rap and the black community, and I feel that dismissive denigration of rap in America is predominantly the result of a dismissive or discriminatory attitude toward the black community in America. YMMV. IDAGF.

Oh God...what do the acronyms mean? I understood the entire post up until that period. You know the one.

Ugh.

Actually, I followed until the "YMMV. IDAGF." part. [google]

Edit: Your Mileage may very? And...?

EDIT AGAIN AFTER BELOW POST: ...You spelled it wrong?

I
Don't
A
F bomb
Give ...I totally coulda guessed that one, though.

[Edited by - Boku San on October 14, 2004 11:42:34 PM]

Uh... "I Dominate Games, Always & Forever"

(Also "I Don't Giva A F---")

I just noticed that you're Australian. Many of my comments about racism will thus be meaningless to you. Race is America, especially in refusing to talk about it openly except in accusative or exculpatory news soundbites. It's a weird country.

Quote: Original post by Oluseyi
I just noticed that you're Australian. Many of my comments about racism will thus be meaningless to you. Race is America, especially in refusing to talk about it openly except in accusative or exculpatory news soundbites. It's a weird country.

I was actually starting to wonder if I was missing something obvious... seems I've been guilty of an AustralianCulturalAssumption. :P There are still racist pricks in Australia, but they're generally viewed as racist pricks rather than as 'normal'.

I can understand you feeling defensive of rap, if you see it as a symbol of your culture. Hell, I get snippy when people talk about 'cracking down on car hoons'. :P

Back on message, not topic - don't knock orchestral music, at least it's not opera!

Quote: Original post by fractoid

Quote: Original post by Oluseyi
I just noticed that you're Australian. Many of my comments about racism will thus be meaningless to you. Race is America, especially in refusing to talk about it openly except in accusative or exculpatory news soundbites. It's a weird country.

I was actually starting to wonder if I was missing something obvious... seems I've been guilty of an AustralianCulturalAssumption. :P There are still racist pricks in Australia, but they're generally viewed as racist pricks rather than as 'normal'.

I can understand you feeling defensive of rap, if you see it as a symbol of your culture. Hell, I get snippy when people talk about 'cracking down on car hoons'. :P

Back on message, not topic - don't knock orchestral music, at least it's not opera!

"...Eat some more pills, pillhead."

Opera is so underappreciated. Classical music in general is unappreciated. Because you can't listen to it and be "cool".

Quote: Original post by Boku San
"...Eat some more pills, pillhead."

Opera is so underappreciated. Classical music in general is unappreciated. Because you can't listen to it and be "cool".

Classical music is good. I can listen to classical music and still be cool.

I can't listen to opera music and still be happy.

Quote: Original post by Boku San

Quote: Original post by fractoid

Quote: Original post by Oluseyi
I just noticed that you're Australian. Many of my comments about racism will thus be meaningless to you. Race is America, especially in refusing to talk about it openly except in accusative or exculpatory news soundbites. It's a weird country.

I was actually starting to wonder if I was missing something obvious... seems I've been guilty of an AustralianCulturalAssumption. :P There are still racist pricks in Australia, but they're generally viewed as racist pricks rather than as 'normal'.

I can understand you feeling defensive of rap, if you see it as a symbol of your culture. Hell, I get snippy when people talk about 'cracking down on car hoons'. :P

Back on message, not topic - don't knock orchestral music, at least it's not opera!

"...Eat some more pills, pillhead."

Opera is so underappreciated. Classical music in general is unappreciated. Because you can't listen to it and be "cool".

Convert the masses. We trained our yearlevel at highschool to love classical music by starting off with music like Symphony Metallica, and stuff from movie soundtracks, then starting to slip in genuine classical tracks. People can, in general, be trained to like whatever you want them to, given the correct situation. (The main point of that being that among my friends, it IS cool to listen to classical music).

Quote: Original post by fractoid
I would heartily back up "heaven forfend an opera game", and I neither think opera is an invalid artform, nor have anything against Italians.

Man, if there existed a role-playing game that was operatic (recitative instead of spoken parts, huge orchestral score by a prominent composer, decent singers, dramatic storyline, poetic libretto, etc.) I would pick it up in a second.

Those who think orchestral music and opera are getting stale just haven’t heard anything they’ve liked yet.