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Stellar Nomenclature

Started by July 29, 2004 12:27 AM
33 comments, last by NexusEnt 20 years, 4 months ago
I always had to suspend my disbelief while watching the Stargate TV show (not so much with the movie). Each planet has different constellations, so the symbols on each stargate would be different. And yet, at every planet they go to, they already know the symbols for the way back. And all stargates have the same symbol (although that can be attributed to lower budgets, so I don't care so much about that). Anyways, I ignore it all, because otherwise it would suck.

Oh, and regarding the syllable method, I would advise removing cuss syllables, such as the one that starts with an f and ends with a k. Especially since "er" is also a syllable. That would make a cuss word instead of just part of a word.
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Quote: I always had to suspend my disbelief while watching the Stargate TV show (not so much with the movie). Each planet has different constellations, so the symbols on each stargate would be different.
According to the show, the people who built the gates were originally from Earth, so of course they'd use the familiar constellations.
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Yes the idea for the show is that the Ancients who built the gates were from Earth. They originally used constellations as symbols for the gates. Each constellation represented a coordinate in space.

When they went out and populated the galaxy with stargates, they just used the same symbols and coordinates. Therefore one combination of 6 symbols always works for the same location and only the last symbol mattered as it was where you were dialing from.

In the movie however, that was not the case. Daniel Jackson had to figure out the correct coordinates to get home. But the series decided to take the approach as mentioned above.
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Having more or less completed my research into creating a galaxy, I've decided the next step is to create a consistant stellar nomenclature (or naming scheme).

I've decided to take a rather different route than ordinary. I got the idea from Stargate SG-1. Their stargate operates on something like 7 symbol permutation of 17 total symbols, or something like that. That creates like 90 million possible permutations.


I really like the idea, but you'll need to make sure that you have enough unique names.

For example, the 90 million permutations in SG1 might be enough to describe all the systems with stargates, but it certainly isn't enough to describe all the stars in the milky way. The mass of visible matter in the Milky Way is ~200 * 109 solar masses. Now, even subtracting the mass of the nebulae, you're still left with a hell of a lot of stars, particularly since the vast majority of stars are < 1 solar mass.

As described, you'll need an obscene number of phonemes for some of your parameters, particularly the angle. You may be better off only naming 'interesting' stars, ie those which have planets and/or are populated, or are significant for some other reason, and everything else could be given a numeric designation.


As a stargate fan I'd like to point out that the stargate has 39 dialable symbols (as stated by Erzengeldeslichtes) and is able to dial 9 chevrons, seven of which are used in normal travel and 8 used to contact the Asgard and visit Atlantis. Given this, you have 39^9 possible addresses which is 208728361158759 or ~200 * 1012.
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Uh....bad math there.

You can't do 39 to the power of 9.

You have to either permutation or combination of 39 chose 9. Combination of 39 chose 9 is 211,915,132 and permutation of 39 chose 9 is 76,899,763,100,160. However read up earlier where the discussion is on whehter you need permutations or combinations. I argue its combinations.

And note that even using the combination/permutation of 39 chose 9 isn't exactly right since we don't know how many dialing points really exist in the universe.

For example combination of 39 chose 6 (the 6 points you need) gives you 3,262,623 results. If you assume that all of those are valid addresses you would actually have 3,262,623 X 3,262,623 possibilites for a total of 10,644,708,840,129. Permuations comes out to 2,349,088,560 X 2,349,088,560 for a total of 5,518,217,062,722,870,000!!!
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