Stop the madness!

ga - I am not the camp counselor. You will have to decide what type of camper you are (i.e. bastard, sniper, boyscout). But for those who can''t remember any posting from page 1 I will reiterate the 4 camps.

TAKE A DEEP BREATH!
(forgive me O'' Great Gygax)

1) The Creator and His Minions(Chaotic Good)-Believers in faith, not facts. Known for missing the obvious. Found usually around bridges or in swampland.

2) The Devils(Lawful Evil)- They see the work of the dark one in everything. If the Creator can actually squeeze blood from a stone, they will seek to destroy it. Usually found in dark places conjuring in the language of Qwerty.

3) The Elightened(Lawful Good)-Generally noted by professional standing, post-graduate studies, and a love for pigeons. Natural born skeptics of faith, yet IF fact is applied to the unknown, they to will believe. Habitually in the company of beautiful women and fast cars.

4) Lurkers(Neutral Evil)-Worse than campers. Will say, ''I always knew it!'' no matter the result. True lurkers cannot be found.

Mike Roberts
aka milo
mlbobs@telocity.com

Hehe. This thread is still going strong it would seem.

Seeing all the discussion about truely random files, and files which appear random yet arent...
I was under the impression that we had basically all agreed upon the point that truely random files cannot be compressed?

Judging by the replies, it appears people still believe that there exist those in the thread who disagree with the aforementioned statement?

Are there any believers left on the following points:

* Truely random files can be compressed by rearranging bits in a predefined fashion (does not include sorting, as most sorts are irreversable), and then applying an existing pattern recognition algorithm (such as those used by zip and the like).

* It is possible to compress any given set of bytes to a smaller size than it originally was (includes counters/lookups/tables which need to be kept).

* 16 pigeons can fit into 15 holes if you push hard enough. (Sorry, couldnt resist the comment :-) )

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If there are no takers on the above, then all that remains (as far as i can see) is to argue over wether zip, and other compressed files, are random enough not to allow further compression.

(Ofcourse Kieren_j could stop the thread within a day or two by releasing a demo, which he/she has told us is almost ready). But for the meantime, I predict we will argue onwards !






regards,

GeniX

WHERES THE GOSH DARN DEMO!!!!!!!!!!1

IS THERE A DEMO OR NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

its simple....
in order to have a demo he must have a working version.
since a working version is impossible
it is impossible to make a demo
so he will never fully finish it,
therefore there will never be a demo.

Thats whats going to eventually end this thread.... if a moderator doesn''t first.... eventually all the people who believe in it will give up and stop writing to this, and then theres people like myself who will stop coming by to see if anybody else made any histerical comments.

Let me analyze this for you....
I''ll assume that this is possible for this argument despite the fact that its not.
OK here we go.

There are two possible things going on right now.
either 1 he is waiting on a patent and he has it technically working although he might be making it more user friendly while waiting for the patent.
or 2 he doesn''t have it completely working yet.... therefore he couldn''t have applied for a patent yet unless he had money to blow

I doubt 1 because he would have asked something about patents, which he hasn''t. Patents cost, as far as I know, 10''s of thousands of dollars.... unless he is getting a patent pending, which once again he didn''t ask about, and they surely take more than a month to do... which once again he hasn''t talked about.

2.
He said he had it working over a week ago.... now its not ready.... why?.... problems..... its not working perfectly, which means its not working now, which means its not working period..... something either works, it doesn''t work, or windows causes it to crash..... therefore it doesn''t work right now at all.....which means all these suckers waiting on it are waiting for someguy they have never met to say he can do something that... besides the fact is impossible, appears to defy the laws of mathematics, and beats out every other piece of compression ever made by teams of people by 100x

This is all yet another reason why this doesn''t exist.

nevermind my earlier question. it was UBB making changes to the text....

void inline write_bit(bitstream *bs, unsigned char value)
{
bs->ptr[bs->byte]=(bs->ptr[bs->byte] AND (0xff-(1 << bs->bit))) OR (value << bs->bit);
bs->bit++;
if (bs->bit==8) bs->bit=0;

}
read_bit
{
return(((bs->ptr[bs->byte] >> bs->bit) AND 0x01) );
}
use bitwise and operator in place of AND
and bitwise or operator in place of OR
also your current write bit doesn't clear out the bit which may be the problem.


Edited by - EB on 4/17/00 11:19:32 PM

Hey kieren_j, JUST CONFESS, so I can stop looking over on this thread for a demo, for a second I thought I understood how your compression worked, and it sounded like a great idea. I did some stuff on paper and I cant figure out how it could work as good as you say it did. soo, JUST CONFESS NOW kieren_j!

Sorry for posting anonymously.
I get the feeling that there those people who believe kieren have no more arguments - kieren''s program can''t work.

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GA

I still have an argument, but you haven''t said anything new, so neither will I. And there are still people posting about indexing and how that makes it impossible, when he''s not even indexing!

The demo he said he''d give us was the 16x-4x-16x-4x Huffman demo, which he had not already done last week. It was kind of a pre-demo to prove a point. Personally I''m more skeptical of this than of his original one. The real demo he still hasn''t said much definitively on in terms of patent or public domain or anything.


Lack

Christianity, Creation, metric, Dvorak, and BeOS for all!

Lack, how do you know this? Did he email you, because he didn''t say what demo he was working on on the board...