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Another question of oppinnions: goths, what do you think of em...?
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I''m asking this question partially from pure curiosity and otherwise because I think that surely if you espect to be respected for what you are you can''t consider them freaks either can you?
Myself I''m not a goth, but have tendencies towards goth''ness... I dyed my hair black, and wear a reasonable amount of black clothes... on the other hand, when I''m not wearing black I wear white, or creamy-colored clothes...
btw... I AM what you call a contradiction in terms...
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Well since you ask,
I think goths fall into the same category as punks - you get the impression that those people think that being an individual is always contradicting what is considered "normal", instead of just making your own decisions / judgements without external influence.
In this way their "expressing their individuality" just ends up being conforming (either intentionally or unintentionally) to a stereotype which earns the acceptance of their fellow-punks / goths.
Does that sound reasonable?
Nothing wrong with wearing all-black, do it myself.
Paulcoz.
Edited by - paulcoz on 4/3/00 3:12:39 AM
I think goths fall into the same category as punks - you get the impression that those people think that being an individual is always contradicting what is considered "normal", instead of just making your own decisions / judgements without external influence.
In this way their "expressing their individuality" just ends up being conforming (either intentionally or unintentionally) to a stereotype which earns the acceptance of their fellow-punks / goths.
Does that sound reasonable?
Nothing wrong with wearing all-black, do it myself.
Paulcoz.
Edited by - paulcoz on 4/3/00 3:12:39 AM
I don''t think anyone can be respected for what they are, only for what they do!
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I disagree that they are punks if you went to my high school you would find that they are very interesting people and you can be friends/ aquantences with them. They just look different and they show it.
paulcoz:
you obviously don''t know any goths, or the people you think are ''goths'' are just posers who want to be something they arent.
Goths don''t wear 100% black clothes, don''t listen to whiny music, rarely wear trenchcoats, and DO NOT listen to Marilyn Manson. This is a false media stereotype.
Technically, the ''Goths'' are an ancient ethnic group which descended from Sweden (Gotländ), who''s architecture styles were radically different from traditional Latin styles, and often seen as ''gloomy''.
I wonder which stereotype will be villainized next by the media...
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you obviously don''t know any goths, or the people you think are ''goths'' are just posers who want to be something they arent.
Goths don''t wear 100% black clothes, don''t listen to whiny music, rarely wear trenchcoats, and DO NOT listen to Marilyn Manson. This is a false media stereotype.
Technically, the ''Goths'' are an ancient ethnic group which descended from Sweden (Gotländ), who''s architecture styles were radically different from traditional Latin styles, and often seen as ''gloomy''.
I wonder which stereotype will be villainized next by the media...
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"Tell brave deeds of war."
Then they recounted tales, -- "There were stern stands And bitter runs for glory."
Ah, I think there were braver deeds.
I''m considered a "goth" by a lot of people at my school--although i don''t consider myself to be one. I think it may be because I used to wear a black trench coat all the time...but that was just because I liked wearing a black trench coat. I think that "goths," as well as "punks" and any other "individualist" group are a bunch of posers. They claim to be individuals...but, really, they''re just becoming another group. All the "goths" I know claim that they hate all the "preps" and jocks at our school, but, in reality, they are nothing more than "preps," only they tend to act more homosexual.
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i do not consider myself a goth but i am consired a goth by others (stupid jerks) also a freak, a jackass, a poorboy, madman, yeah u name it, ive benn called but usually caus ei like being like i am, i dont want to be different, anyone can be like i am, i dont care, just like to be this way, i ear ''goth'' music (i ahte MM, my ''goth'' music is mianly based on celtic and old eastern european folkore) and yes i wear black.
The reason some ''goths'' use black is the followin (not for all) they usually like to follow pagan religions, wicca, witchvcraft etc, that believe in sun as god and moon as goddess. They wear black because it atract the sun light more and with that more energy from the gods.
I just wear black cause i like it
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but usually caus ei like being like i am, i dont want to be different, anyone can be like i am, i dont care, just like to be this way, i ear ''goth'' music (i ahte MM, my ''goth'' music is mianly based on celtic and old eastern european folkore) and yes i wear black.The reason some ''goths'' use black is the followin (not for all) they usually like to follow pagan religions, wicca, witchvcraft etc, that believe in sun as god and moon as goddess. They wear black because it atract the sun light more and with that more energy from the gods.
I just wear black cause i like it
my thoughts !
Mithrandir -
If goths don''y wear 100% black clothes, don''t listen to whiny music, rarely wear trenchcoats, and DO NOT listen to Marilyn Manson, then how in any way are they goths? Do they wear black clothes 99.9% of the time, listen to heavy meatal, sometimes wear trench coats and, NEVER EVER (I mean, go forbid, they''re goths!) listen to Marilyn Mansion, but instead, listen to the spice girls? Everything that you said is your opinion and is based purely on that. Most do everything that you mentioned, as a matter of fact.
I''m not a goth. I have brown hair with blonde streaks, but listen to Manson sometimes. I wear some black clothes, but then again, I wear all types of colours of clothes (except grey... just looks bad on me). This was all just for the record...
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If goths don''y wear 100% black clothes, don''t listen to whiny music, rarely wear trenchcoats, and DO NOT listen to Marilyn Manson, then how in any way are they goths? Do they wear black clothes 99.9% of the time, listen to heavy meatal, sometimes wear trench coats and, NEVER EVER (I mean, go forbid, they''re goths!) listen to Marilyn Mansion, but instead, listen to the spice girls? Everything that you said is your opinion and is based purely on that. Most do everything that you mentioned, as a matter of fact.
I''m not a goth. I have brown hair with blonde streaks, but listen to Manson sometimes. I wear some black clothes, but then again, I wear all types of colours of clothes (except grey... just looks bad on me). This was all just for the record...
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After 10 years of denying it, I finally admitted that I fit enough of the goth stereotype to bear the title. I''d say that overall, the "gothic community" is just like any other group of people; you have a pretty wide range of people involved. It just happens that they like dark colours, certain types of music/makeup, literature, etc. I don''t really think that whether someone is a goth or not has much bearing on their abilities.... I know some goths who definitely fall into the category of genius, and I know some who should probably be institutionalized. Same for most other groups.
I just wish more people would remember that the West is founded on liberal democracy, and that tolerance is the key to a happy life. [And that works both ways - egotistical goths who hate everything are just as bad as bible bashers who inform me that I''m going to hell because I wear black and listen to music that includes "occult" references!]
I just wish more people would remember that the West is founded on liberal democracy, and that tolerance is the key to a happy life. [And that works both ways - egotistical goths who hate everything are just as bad as bible bashers who inform me that I''m going to hell because I wear black and listen to music that includes "occult" references!]
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