quote: Original post by Stiby
Mod rocks, bascially its just a mixture of samples (take a look at all thouse dance programs) and the samples can undergo a number of transformations which enables them to be played at different speeds, have the pitch and tone adjusted or even add effects.

Well, a general term for all those players is:
"wave-table ''synthesis'' player".
Yes.
Exactly what today''s soundcards provide in hardware,
and is used by DMusic. I don''t know whether it''s
actually _that_ much faster (or faster anyway)
than using mod libraries,
maybe not, but the potential exists.

However, I don''t like DMusic, and am *not* going to use
it. ;-)
(at least not for playing music. maybe for obtaining input
from my midi keyboard, if I don''t find a smaller, easier
to use library.
Anyone knows such one?)

One advantage of using those tracker formats is,
that you can build your own instruments without purchasing
additional software.
As far as I know, DMusic provides the 128 GM standard
instruments only, and if you want to create your own
intsrument files, you''ll need extra software.



the unshaven bastard

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SORRY for that triple (or were it even four?) post.

I love Opera, but it seemed to f#ckin refuse to post,
I klicked several times, but no action.
Then, surprise, after I didn''t do anything for half a minute,
it DID action, several times. Some with my nick,
some without.....

HEY you guys!
just reading some of the posts u guys sent in
some one said that midis suck,but are you forgeting mp3s are just
midis that have been exported out into mp3 format using soundfonts or .akai files,maybe you wanna do the math before you go insulting midis next time
ok m8z
CIAO

quote: Original post by Anonymous Poster
but are you forgeting mp3s are just
midis that have been exported out into mp3 format using soundfonts or .akai files,maybe you wanna do the math before you go insulting midis next time
ok m8z
CIAO

uuhhh....

I think you may be mistaken

yeah, I hear queen''s song in my mind... "it''s a kinda magic..."
but no midi, neither mp3, I''m curious how our (human''s) internal
audio format looks like

midi files have absolutely no binding to precise sounds,
they just contain the notes to be played (well, mainly),
to control midi instruments, which produce the sound.

mp3 tries to remove "unnecessary" detail information of the sound
(wave file, for example), to reduce the data to be stored.

(well, "unnecessary", I absolutely disagree, don''t like mp3 much ,
most songs with rates below 16 bits, 44.1kHz & 256 kbps sound horrible to me.
(and even some above. NO joke.)
I know, it''s always a trade-off, but I don''t like compromises when it comes
to music...
hhhm..... just had to say that, no one cares anyway, I know..




the unshaven bastard

its me again (THE ANONYMOUS POSTER).
I was refering to the composition or mp3s.All Mp3s are orignally made as midis or are created with pre-made looping .wav samples (which were just midis originally anyway).Obviously you like many others haven''t yet grasped the concepts of soundfonts (.SF2)
go run a search in google.com for soundfounts (.sf2)and you''ll see what I mean.Also its a well known fact in the music industry that all drummers in rock bands are replaced on the finished recording by pre-recorded MIDI drum samples.And finaly it is absolutly IMPOSSIBLE for any mp3 to be made without the use of MIDIS.
ciao

quote: Original post by UnshavenBastard

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Do you know you can delete the duplicates? For each post you want to delete, make sure you are logged in, edit the post, and in the edit screen check the "Delete" box, then submit changes. repeat that process on each repeated post (be sure to leave at least one of the copies).

quote: Original post by Anonymous Poster
its me again (THE ANONYMOUS POSTER).
I was refering to the composition or mp3s.All Mp3s are orignally made as midis or are created with pre-made looping .wav samples (which were just midis originally anyway).Obviously you like many others haven''t yet grasped the concepts of soundfonts (.SF2)
go run a search in google.com for soundfounts (.sf2)and you''ll see what I mean.Also its a well known fact in the music industry that all drummers in rock bands are replaced on the finished recording by pre-recorded MIDI drum samples.And finaly it is absolutly IMPOSSIBLE for any mp3 to be made without the use of MIDIS.
ciao

Right... And monkey''s might fly out of my butt!
Seriously though, mp3''s are wav''s with compression. Hence the fact that you can have mp3 wav''s now. A midi file is a note for note reference of what to play along with tempo. That is nothing like a wav file which is a waveform for output. Therefore an mp3 is not like a midi. And I''m not quite to sure about the drummers being replaced... Never heard of such a thing.



Always remember, you''''re unique. Just like everyone else.

so i am guessing the singing is done via midi? am i also to believe that all LIVE performences are actually done by computers? let me guess, those crazy guitar riffs by hendrix were done by midi when he recorded his music back in the 70s. at a time when a mic was a big deal, and electric instruments were swooby.

just because certain cruddy mainstream artists use drum machines for studio recordings (way beyond what midi can do). have you even used (or even seen) a drum machine? they take and create samples themselves as well as loop preplayed samples. they control things at much greater detail then midi. also during post production other filtering is done, filtering that again cant be reproduced via midi.

now midi is not crud, but dont even attempt to make it seem equivlent to mp3 in terms of music reproduction. you CANT reproduce ANY music with voice using midi. if you can, please show emlighten us. last i checked my midi synth cant even reproduce all the sounds the real instrument (since wacetables which use soundfonts pitch change a single sample, they never get an accurate range compared to the real instrument nor the subtle timings and "offness" that a real instrument can produce).

you may enjoy your britney snyc street girls with lots of synth drums, but there ar some REAL bandsthat play REAL instruments. also please explain how a midi system can reproduce scratching of a record. please, post a midi that can reproduce that sound. no tricks of using samples that are prescratched samples either.

basically in the end your mind has been brainwashed by some moron and you dont know what music is besides the mainstream. listen to some classic music, heck listen to some bethoven and bach as well. hendrix, bb king, eric clapton are all great artitsts that did not need fancy midi equiment for there music.

please learn something. go read a book on music. learn what an instrument.

Usually the drum sounds on albums are not real drum sounds. They definitely don''t use f''ing midi, MIDI is basically an instrument control language.(as several pple have already said) The problem arises when that language is applied to keyboards or sound cards that have bad samples or use FM synthesis.

What people do on pro level records is take a drum module full of really high quality drum samples. They then take little trigger pads and attach them to the drums. When the drummer hits the drum it triggers the pad, which sends an electrical signal to the module and triggers a sample in the module. There is no MIDI involved! The drummer is simply triggering prerecorded samples when playing versus trying to get a great drum sound aucoustically from a mediocere drum kit. Most musicians like to use aucoustic drums w/ the pads to trigger the samples, because they like the feel of real drum heads/cymbals over drum pads.

I wish they would update the midi standard, it''s sad when Peavy can come up with a better instrument interface than the standard.



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