On 6/18/2018 at 5:14 PM, ChaosEngine said:
The big spoiler reveal (are we talking about that?) was kinda fun, but would have made no sense to anyone who hadn't watched Clone Wars or Rebels.
That reveal made me think that they're setting up for an Obi Wan Kenobi movie. That was a genuinely cool part of the movie though.
On 6/18/2018 at 5:14 PM, ChaosEngine said:
Donald Glover: highlight of the movie... give us a Lando movie!
Donald Glover was amazing. He definitely did carry the movie a lot more than the guy who played Solo did.
On 6/18/2018 at 5:14 PM, ChaosEngine said:
As for the Solo box office, well, this was a movie people didn't really want. No one outside of Disney thought a Solo movie would be a good idea. It's hardly surprising that people didn't go see it.
This seems to be the most pointed out aspect: a Han Solo movie never made much sense. His background didn't really matter that much. He was a smuggler in the original trilogy. That's all that mattered. Contrasted with something like a Boba Fett movie (or even a Jango Fett movie for that matter), and there's a ton to be explored there, especially given his background after Mace Windu decapitated his dad.
That being said though, it's still somewhat surprising, since I actually thought it was a fun film.
On 6/18/2018 at 5:14 PM, ChaosEngine said:
The franchise in general?
Well, apparently we're getting an Obi-wan movie, a Boba Fett movie and a tv show. In addition to episode 9, and another 2(?) trilogies. And that's too much Star Wars. Star Wars movies should feel rare and special and now they're like MCU movies. I think they should take a 5 year break once ep.9 is finished.
Yes, according to this, there's at least two new trilogies in the work, and that 5 year break looks unlikely. There's a lot they could potentially explore, and I'm curious to see which routes they take. Star Wars, unlike MCU, is way bigger in terms of its universe. If they can make genuinely good stuff, I say go for it. Of course, it may lead to franchise fatigue.
On 6/19/2018 at 5:47 AM, SillyCow said:
After I came out of episode 7 disappointed, I saw "the Last Jedi" halfheartedly to see if it was a one time fluke.
Episode 7 was fun in my opinion, but played it relatively safe. It went for a familiar set up to the first Star Wars movie. Episode 8 is where I thought that they finally decided to take some risks, of which admittedly, not all of them paid off, but much of it did. As @ChaosEngine said, it had its flaws, but it tried a lot of new things.
On 6/19/2018 at 5:47 AM, SillyCow said:
Since that movie's production seemed very lazy to me. Mainly: Lack of continuity in the script. I lost faith in the franchise.
I'm very curious what you mean by this. What do you mean by lack of continuity and lazy production?
On 6/19/2018 at 5:47 AM, SillyCow said:
In the past when a new Star Wars movie came out I would think to myself: Oh cool! This is going to be a high quality sci-fi opera.
And I think that this is the major difference between me and many others who 'grew up' with Star Wars. I technically grew up with Star Wars, but those were the prequels when they came out. To me, the perceived flaws of the new movies are not so different from those the original trilogy if I tried to get really nitpicky.
On 6/19/2018 at 5:47 AM, SillyCow said:
To me, the Star Wars prequels were about continuity. It was amazing to see how they took a light hearted space opera ("a new hope"), and carefully crafted a backstory around it. (I really liked the prequels).
I absolutely hated the prequels, except for Episode 3. Episode 3 was a good movie that would've been great if Episodes 1 and 2 weren't such a mess. At minimum I thought that the new trilogy seemed far better than the prequels, except maybe Episode 3.
On 6/19/2018 at 5:47 AM, SillyCow said:
The recent movies lost me when they threw all that out the window. For example: What value was there in killing Snoke so quickly. Do you think it had a great plot/character reason? I just get the feeling that the writers didn't know what to do with the character, and said "meh... let's kill him for shock value". It wasn't artistic like Ned Stark because they never let us develop feelings (positive or negative) towards Snoke. I really like the way they started building Kylo-Ren as a Darth Vader wannabe teenager. Then in the 8th movie, it wasn't convenient. So he just changed without explanation. They didn't show the character grow (like with Anakin Skywalker). He just changed because it was convenient for the script.
On the contrary, I thought that killing off Snoke served to build Kylo Ren as a potentially irredeemable character. I thought it sets up a potentially great Episode 9. That and I never really saw Snoke as much more different than the Emperor in the original trilogy, in the sense that he wasn't particularly central to the plot. We knew next to nothing about the Emperor as well in the Original trilogy.
Again, I should reiterate, that while I did certainly like watching the original trilogy, I don't have nearly as strong a connection with it as many who grew up with it do. That and from my perspective, the original trilogy isn't THAT amazing as it may be for others.