Do ppl willfully switch from win 7 to 10? My experiences with win 10 is that its like a windows 7 where they removed your power to choose and make stuff hard to access (probably with the mentality "lets not scare dumb users")

Do ppl willfully switch from win 7 to 10? My experiences with win 10 is that its like a windows 7 where they removed your power to choose and make stuff hard to access (probably with the mentality "lets not scare dumb users")

You're mistaking Win10 for Win8. :wink:

Win10 is Win7 but upgraded. I love the new start menu, and I love a dozen tiny improvements they made here and there. I don't use the Metro apps... and that doesn't hinder me whatsoever. (well, I do use the Metro calculator, and am not too fond of it)

Here's my start menu: (it can be alot more compact than this, but I made it this wide by choice)

Can you post relevant extracts from the License terms please

*facepalm* That's exactly what he wanted you to ask.

Microsoft's license is stupidly broadly written, so their legal butt-covering is genuinely scary, but how they actually use it (as far as we know) is much tamer than Facebook and Google. Do you want Microsoft to tell you they have a concealed carry license and are carrying a gun, or do you want Google and Facebook to shoot you with a gun with the serial number filed off? :D

(One of the reasons Microsoft's licenses are broadly written, is because Microsoft uses a few general licenses for a dozen or so different services and pieces of software, so it has to cover things like reading, accessing, storing files, because it includes everything from Onedrive (Microsoft's Dropbox competitor), to Cortana, and Windows, and so on).

There's a lot more eyes (consumer, corporate, and government) watching Microsoft than are watching Google and Facebook, and if Microsoft does anything on our computers, consumers have the tech to detect, since it is software running on our machines. Plus, Microsoft has historically been rather too incompetent (corporate in-fighting) to be organized evil. Google says, "Our motto is 'Don't be Evil', just trust us" but everything is hidden on their own servers, where no government or consumer can verify their claims of what they don't do.

So this is consumer choice. I'd also trust Microsoft to leverage evilness far sloppier than Apple would, but in-general, I think healthy skepticism of corporations is a good thing. I've personally weighed the pros and cons and went with Win10, though if I was a Linux user, that'd be preferable in terms of privacy.

*facepalm* That's exactly what he wanted you to ask.

It's funny how you know exactly what I want :)

I couldn't care less but discuss Microsoft's license. It's publicly available so everyone can read it, and they may change it any time (or have changed it since I last looked, I'm not checking every week, you know). But when I last read it, it was just that, we ownz yer stuffs. For me, that is no go.

We have a different perspective on things. Other than you, I don't believe in God, and in the good in men. I believe in the Devil, and he is in every man. Some people manage to suppress him, but in the end man is evil by nature.

So, other than you, I do not assume that if the license terms says something in particular, then this is not exactly what they really mean or what they will do. I don't believe that a profit organization has the greater good in mind and will not exploit the legal terms that you agreed to -- to the letter.

That being said, the license is totally inacceptable for me. Does not mean it has to be inacceptable for you.

You can post your entire life on Facebook, too, if you want (millions of people do!). No hard feelings, I won't think lowly of you because of that. Only just don't come crying when in 5-10 years it turns out that this wasn't such a great idea, and something really nasty (I'll leave that to your imagination) happens. You can buy one of these self-driving cars that are so much safer, too.

But as far as I'm concerned, no thank you. To finish this with a quote from Donald Knuth (I have to write it down from memory, so one or two words might be wrong):

What I would tell to young people? Don't believe that just because something is trendy, that means that it is good. Concentrate on what you think is important, not what is trendy. Because in the end, that will be what is important.

You can post your entire life on Facebook, too, if you want (millions of people do!).
No hard feelings, I won't think lowly of you because of that.

Oh you can bet I stay ten thousand miles away from Facebook.
This is my response to anyone who uses Facebook.

I understand your Win10 concerns, I have some concerns about some of Microsoft's policies, but everytime I get too concerned, Microsoft ends up shooting themselves in the foot publicly, conveniently nullifying my problem. I'm betting on Microsoft's 900-lb gorilla policies preventing it from being sophisticatedly evil; but that's not a bet I expect everyone else to also make. Plus, the new Microsoft CEO has streamlined the organization surprisingly well, so maybe they can aspire to true evil in another year or two.

Do ppl willfully switch from win 7 to 10? My experiences with win 10 is that its like a windows 7 where they removed your power to choose and make stuff hard to access (probably with the mentality "lets not scare dumb users")

I've been on it since it went live (not betas / prerelease) and haven't found anything to be "hard to find".