The thing is, there is no debating with him... he said the English flag was banned in England, I told him it wasn't and explained why, he produced some links, I explained them away and then, fuck me, if about he isn't all "the English flag is banned!" above... that's not someone you can debate with, reason with or is otherwise worth any interaction at all.

 

You accusing graelig of being sexist/racist basically proves his point

It proves that when he demonstrates sexist/racist behavior there are people willing to call him out on it.
He had hoped to set up a straw man so that if he did get called out on it it would loan some credence to his post and, by nature of a straw-man argument, somehow also validate the rest of his post. I can do the same thing right now. Ahem: They might call me a social-justice warrior for pointing out racism and standing up for equal rights, but all viewers beware they are just trying to shut us down and silence us!

By saying that the simple fact that his post was called racist proves his whole point you’ve just bought into his game hook, line, and sinker. What it really means is that he knows he is saying racist things, therefor he can predict that people will call him out on it. If I were to try to make the claim that the world is flat, I would be wise to suggest that I am in a more knowledgeable position than the rest of you by suggesting that I am already aware of what counter-arguments you will try to make.

He flooded his whole post with straw-man arguments.

any company that sells it will be attacked as a racist hate-oppressor.

This is called capitalism. Companies respond to what the market desires and tries to shy away from bad publicity. When a company decides that it is better not to sell something than to sell it, it tends to be a clear indication of a majority opinion, because they honestly only care about the bottom line. The fact is that it has gone from the silent majority to the vocal majority.
 

So you get in a situation like Glenn Beck where he is wildly popular but can't get on TV because advertisers are afraid to be called nazi oppressors.

Glenn Beck claims to have a rare neurological disorder, which he “cured” by spinning around in a gyroscope.
He can’t get on TV because he is a nut-case.  His brand is poison.  Welcome to capitalism, where companies try to drive profits by not looking as if they support mentally insane people.
 

If you work in IT and show concern over h1b program which is draining your pocketbook dry, you are racist.

At Facebook, a company that is actually a bit focused on diversity, they have 55% whites and 36% Asian.
Most companies have a ratio much larger for whites. If you show concern over H1B then you are an insecure lot who must have skills so low as to be worried about losing your job to a minority. This might actually include some racial ideologies, which means it may very well be justified if you get called a racist for being apposed to it.
These 2 points are clearly illustrated by taking a look at the opposite side of the spectrum.
I’m perfectly fine with H1B, because I welcome diversity in the workplace and my skills are such that I will not easily be replaced. If I am, I wouldn’t direct my anger at someone who was given equal rights to my position as I was. I would assume he or she bested me at something and deserved the position more.

In order to be against H1B you have to be either racist, arrogant, or insecure. You have to think you are entitled to your job and that minorities shouldn’t have an equal chance at it. Which makes you an asshole in any case.


Ultimately it’s a post full of jibberish and rightfully deserves to be mocked.
And no one should have to apologize for mocking it, nor defend him- or her- self for doing so.

But what do I know? I’m just a social-justice warrior, right? Not, say, someone who just has a reasonable outlook on life and considers all people equal.


L. Spiro

The social justice warrior/marxist formula is actually pretty simple.

SJW: Blah blah whites, men and whatever the majority is in the country are all evil in every way.

Some Guy: Hey that's not really true-

SJW: Racist! Sexist! Homophobe! OMG



They just attack then play victim. Over and over and over.

Like you do on every subject for example, including technical ones. You continuously harass me then complain about me when I have mostly just been ignoring you.

You also went into rape jokes and other insane nonsense WHEN TALKING ABOUT PROFILERS. You don't have any leg to stand on in any way, shape or form. Especially when it comes to sensitivity towards issues like this.

For people like this it's simply about control. Everyone who disagrees on any point ie who doesn't simply do exactly as told without question is absolutely worse than Hitler.

I don't even have anything to do with you but you can't keep from going mental on me every 12 seconds, and Chaos Engine is even worse.

I don't like guys like Roosh V and other poor me guys who cry about how hard men have it, but I am not going to swallow the crazy ramblings of paid activists like femen or anita sarkeesian who make the whole planet into a mockery and attack everything normal in the world and anyone who disagrees is a misogynist nazi. I could say why accusing me of being nazi or patriarch is extra laughable in my case, but my personal affairs are no one else's business.

If people want to make claims they need to make their case on its own merits, not tar and feater everyone who disagrees. If they could they would, but their entire 'case' boils down to wanting to be given extra powers and privileges over others while pretending that they are the victim.

If people want to make claims they need to make their case on its own merits, not tar and feater everyone who disagrees.

Schopenhauer would like a word with you.

In any case, regarding the primary topic, I find the confederate flag in poor taste, but I also don't really care about it. I think it represents ignorance and idiocy more than anything else, which makes planting it near a government building strangely appropriate.

While I agree with the alleged view of "the south" on state's rights, the war was about slavery, and "the south" lost the moral high ground by systematically approving of, engaging in, and even enforcing a barbaric and atrocious practice. It's simply not forgivable.

If the state's rights really were the issue then why hasn't "the south" cut ties with the old garbage and worked toward making a more legitimate fight over it? Waving around the confederate flag doesn't say to people, "I support state's rights and limiting federal power." Instead it screams, "Hey, this cotton ain't pickin' itself, y'all."

It's a real pity because the federal government really is getting more and more ridiculous as time goes on, but the only counter-perspecitve is marred by a shameful legacy of bigotry and ignorance.

babble

Way to continously projecting your own acting to other people, and keep pulling in unrelated issues with other people.

Since I belive that there is hope for any human being, I'll try to get through to you one more time:

YOU are constantly attacking other people based on past events.

YOU are making (often) ridiculous claims without any viable backing (if any) whatsoever.

YOU keep acting like you are the only knowledgable person here, yet claim that others are doing it.

YOU are constantly being defensive and even aggressive about every bit of criticism thrown in your way.

YOU are constantly presenting your opinion as facts, and keep claiming other people are doing it.

You are obviously not interested in engaging in a discussion that goes other than "Yes, you are totally right Graelig, thanks for taking the time to prospect your 100% right facts to us". Forums are there for discussion, not to put your opinion in here as solitary facts. If you don't want to receive input on your thoughts, go leave and make a blog already, there you can disable comments and nobody will ever question your ideas... ahem, I mean "harras" you.

You have been suspended now three times, and didn't learn a thing. I'm sorry for the OT (as more OT as this thread can even get), but how long is this going to be tolerated?

Okay, I think we've reached the end of the productive discussion we're going to have here. In fact I think we reached the end of it several pages ago.