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Try the indie game Avadon: The Black Fortress and also Morning's Wrath.
i know of avadon alrady but it doesnt look very interesting..
like i sid i dont like being a hero and its like the only thing u learn about the game when reading what it is.
and i looked at trailer and graphics and everything and spells and the squares and everything looks exactly like avernum... and that game had flawed combat that really ruined my experience.
what do u think about this?
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Well, Avadon is the only Jeff Vogel game I've played, so I haven't played Avernum. Plot-wise, you aren't the hero... if anything, you're a bit of a anti-hero depending on how you roleplay things. You're a 'Hand' of Avadon, basically a mercenary, and Avadon ain't such a morally-sound place either. Vogel reuses alot of his graphics for each game, and from just now looking at YouTube videos of Avernum I'd say the combat looks about the same as well - so probably not your cup of tea after all.