I have a unique appreciation for Kickstarter. It allows projects to derive funding solely from a potential consumer market. My only problem with Kickstarter is that it's really only feasible for securing a part of your funding that can aid you in developing a game model. It's possible to make a game with a few million. I've even seen great games come out of the indie spaces that were almost entirely collaborated between people on the internet, and of whom many had zero funding, or were unlikely to be compensated.

The kind of project you're talking about is... larger than large. Should you find funding to complete a game model you can use that to show investors you're capable of producing an end product. Investors will likely want their money back. Diablo 2, and 3 all had developers who worked off of salary wages. They had a vary large team, and a publisher. You should take into consideration salary wages, and whether or not employees working on a title like that get overtime, and whether or not overtime is 1.5 or double per person working. It all adds up very fast.

Your goals are realistic. How you approach them may be unrealistic.

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Ya I guess I was hoping for a general round about total ie. On average creating a diablo type game with modern graphics you'd be looking at around 1.5 million dollars etc.

Okay, then. $10-20 million.
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ok ouch. Considering most huge MMOs don't pass the 10 million mark i'd say you may be overshooting the scale but perhaps that was on purpose to prove a point. The highest kickstarter i've seen for a game reached 3.33 million

If you wanted kickstarter figures, you should have said so. You asked how much it would cost to make Diablo today. You should expect to get answers to the questions that you actually ask -- not answers that you wish you would get.

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Tom Sloper, on 12 July 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:



Falcon68, on 12 July 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:


Ya I guess I was hoping for a general round about total ie. On average creating a diablo type game with modern graphics you'd be looking at around 1.5 million dollars etc.


Okay, then. $10-20 million.

Falcon68, on 12 July 2012 - 05:22 PM, said:


ok ouch. Considering most huge MMOs don't pass the 10 million mark i'd say you may be overshooting the scale but perhaps that was on purpose to prove a point. The highest kickstarter i've seen for a game reached 3.33 million


If you wanted kickstarter figures, you should have said so. You asked how much it would cost to make Diablo today. You should expect to get answers to the questions that you actually ask -- not answers that you wish you would get.

I Falcon may be misunderstanding Kickstarter as a whole.
Kickstarter rarely 'fully funds' a project, it helps teams that have spent capital and ideas to get that extra lifeline by giving away promises.
If you look at the very popula ouya kickstarter right now, you'll realize that 30% of the capital was already invested before the kickstarter, and they're even saying that they actually need more than what they're asking for.

I agree fully that 10-20M$ is a realistic scope for a revamped Diablo 2, and if you intent on going the Blizzard way, you might want to double that if not more (they've been known to restart from scratch a few times when they considered the core idea didn't work).
A full large team of professionnals hired for so many years comes with a price, and you should not forget the marketing you'll need to invest in order to recoup your expanses.

you'd be looking at around 1.5 million dollars

Following a statement of that nature, I can hear the Dragon's den ask "where did you get these numbers exactly?"
I'm going to assume you already work in a AAA studio and have access to these numbers right?
As far as I can remember, 1.5M$ was actually the scope of a facebook game, or an action/adventure on the wii (both titles I've been responsible for).
In all modesty, I don't think these correlate to the project you're describing here, or there might be a lot of confusing elements that need to be defined that I have missed...

Falcon68, on 12 July 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:
you'd be looking at around 1.5 million dollars


Following a statement of that nature, I can hear the Dragon's den ask "where did you get these numbers exactly?"
I'm going to assume you already work in a AAA studio and have access to these numbers right?
As far as I can remember, 1.5M$ was actually the scope of a facebook game, or an action/adventure on the wii (both titles I've been responsible for).
In all modesty, I don't think these correlate to the project you're describing here, or there might be a lot of confusing elements that need to be defined that I have missed...

I think you misread me... I was using it as an example notice the ie prior to the statement.

So basically what I am hearing is unless I either come from a rich family or make millions of dollars from my job to fund the project myself there is no way to complete such a project. Very discouraging.

Regardless Kickstarter as a whole is there to help fund projects in general. But ya chances of fully funding a project seem slim.

Actually Ouya has been trying to figure out what to spend the extra money on which is why it was taking requests for new features.

So it seems like the best chance to finish the project is to perhaps offer profit shares and a set payment depending on amount earned from fundraising.

So let me get this straight. You have (a) no money, (b) no team and (c) not actual experience designing or producing games? Kickstarter is not the right place for you to try and learn how to make games on someone else's dime. People contribute to developers who have talent, experience and quite frankly something to show them. Double Fine raised $3.3M because of Tim Schaefer and a track record of finishing quality games. Ouya raised $4M because they had a slick video and a pitch tailored to the indie development crowd (everything can be hacked - um yay). You would be torn to pieces if all you had was "Vague Diablo 2 clone + unknown and not proven design concepts known only to you". People expect something in return for their pledges.

BTW - $10-20M is the low end of AAA games these days. There is no real telling how much Blizzard puts into its titles because they only ship "when they are finished". Larger games are nearing $100M and 400-500 developers. So you need to tailor your expectations with your current capacity.

If you want to work in games, then may I suggest working at an established developer or publisher. Crawl. Walk. Run.

So basically what I am hearing is unless I either come from a rich family or make millions of dollars from my job to fund the project myself there is no way to complete such a project. Very discouraging.

I think you need investors, in any way shape or form (a loan if you have a strong business plan, people that strongly believe in your abilities, etc).

Actually Ouya has been trying to figure out what to spend the extra money on which is why it was taking requests for new features.

That's what happens when you're already raised 30% of the money before-hand and have exceeded your aims by 500%. It a good isolated case of overwhelming success. People seem to believe in the platform (although, not everyone: Robert Boyd is not a believer, and I have my own reserves).

So it seems like the best chance to finish the project is to perhaps offer profit shares and a set payment depending on amount earned from fundraising.

This is not tolerated by kickstarter unfortunately (as listed in their policies).

Kickstarter is not the right place for you to try and learn how to make games on someone else's dime.

People indeed don't tend to invest in the unknown (and yes, this is still an investment even if all they get in return is a console). If you look at the Ouya, you'll see who that CEO is. Just don't expect the same kind of support and this is nothing personal.

If you want to work in games, then may I suggest working at an established developer or publisher.

I'm going to second that. What you may now perceive as harsh criticism from our part merely looks that way because it clashes with your understanding of how it works. But after working in the industry for a while, instead of seeing obstacles, you might see opportunities. You may redefine the project you'd like to make within a subset of conditions that actually make sense and successfully bring a game on the virtual shelves with less trouble than it sounds.

So basically what I am hearing is unless I either come from a rich family or make millions of dollars from my job to fund the project myself there is no way to complete such a project. Very discouraging.

Or you could just start with a project that you are capable of funding yourself and work your way up. (a small successful project will give you the cash you need to invest in something bigger plus you show potential investors that you can complete projects and make money)

Hmm some good suggestions. I've worked for 8 years as a game reviewer and i've been networking with many developers because of E3, etc. I've worked on a project before so I do have some experience in game development... I guess the main problem is I'm broke. My job literally barely covers my mortgage and bills due to the economy. So I can try and make a game that costs nothing but that seems virtually impossible. Unfortunately, my wife is currently holding me back a bit as she refuses to leave virginia beach because her and her mother are so close and she doesn't want to take her grand daughter away from her mom either, and there really aren't any game studios here. So I wanted to see if I can start from nothing and go from there but ya I realize that only happens in the movies lol.

My previous project I spent time on the phone with cliffy b discussing use of his engine for our project. Things fell through.. but he told me his story of how he started Epic Games and it was a big inspiration at that time.

Hmm some good suggestions. I've worked for 8 years as a game reviewer and i've been networking with many developers because of E3, etc. I've worked on a project before so I do have some experience in game development... I guess the main problem is I'm broke. My job literally barely covers my mortgage and bills due to the economy. So I can try and make a game that costs nothing but that seems virtually impossible. Unfortunately, my wife is currently holding me back a bit as she refuses to leave virginia beach because her and her mother are so close and she doesn't want to take her grand daughter away from her mom either, and there really aren't any game studios here. So I wanted to see if I can start from nothing and go from there but ya I realize that only happens in the movies lol.

Lots of games have been made without a budget, Small games can be very profitable, in some cases far more profitable than the big games (in terms of profit per manhour).

You could make a prototype for a small game in less than 8 hours and assuming you don't work 7 days per week that should be fairly easy, add a month or two of evening and weekend work and you'll have a game you can sell or atleast pitch on kickstarter.

When you design your game you should keep the budget restrictions and your own limitations in mind, If you are a good programmer but bad at art something like geometry wars can be fairly easy, if art and writing is your strong side point&click adventure games or interactive fiction might be a better fit. (Allthough art heavy games are harder to do on a tight budget)

Don't design a game first and then try to work out a budget for it, decide on a realistic budget first and design a game that fits within it, if you don't have any money you should make a budget with your time instead.
For a first commercial part-time game i'd personally recommend trying to stay under 300 hours (at 10 hours per week this will still take over half a year and you probably need to make a few games to build enough of a customerbase to make a living)

From my hobbyist job posting I already have a modeler and animator interested in my project as a spare time kind of thing. I guess an engine may be the hard part alteast if I want decent graphics. I really need a programmer. I have some minor programming experience but I specialize in project management. So i can manage a team really well but I need one first =/.