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Suggestions for a good host?

Started by July 09, 2012 08:24 PM
15 comments, last by ranakor 12 years, 4 months ago

Also, cloud hosters like Heroku are good too. You can even develop entirely in the cloud with cool new stuff like Cloud9 so that you can develop from anywhere from any platform.[s] They both support node.js by default, so you can get easy high performance[/s] smile.png oops, saw you were more towards X-AMP type setups.





[background=rgb(250, 251, 252)][Edit] Actually.... I dont know where I might of gone wrong in the math... but for a VPS in myhosting.com they charge you 10$ a month extra for 3 terabytes of information. Mean while I calculated the cost of amazon and 3 terabytes of data transfer cost you 360$!!! with them.... thats a HUGE difference [/background]




3 TB of storage or 3 TB of bandwidth? There is a big difference there.
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Bandwitdh, at 600 GB Bandwidth monthly came out to 18.88 a month
then when I moved it to 3600 GB Bandwidth the price was 28.18 a month
ah. Yea, depending on your needs, a host like amazon or heroku may be overkill. It all depends on what your infrastructure/platform needs are as well as support services.
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Thought about Google App-Engine?
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I always wanted to try to deploy something there, but I end up being lazy and using PHP.

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[Edit] Actually.... I dont know where I might of gone wrong in the math... but for a VPS in myhosting.com they charge you 10$ a month extra for 3 terabytes of information. Mean while I calculated the cost of amazon and 3 terabytes of data transfer cost you 360$!!! with them.... thats a HUGE difference


That host looks shady. There is no way they could charge that little and not be losing money. 3TB / month is a solid 1.2MB/s every second of the month. Compare that to other VPS providers and it's order of magnitudes cheaper than anyone else. Not to mention their prices for ram and cores are extremely underpriced as well. They claim to be able to run a 16 core server with 8GB of ram, 200GB of disk and 3.6TB of bandwidth per month for under $100 per month?

Think about it this way, that is basically a dedicated T1 worth of bandwidth per month. Price out how much a T1 connection is and see if their charges make sense. Sure, there is some economy of scale, but not to that degree. What they must be banking on is no one uses the amount of service they buy and they would be in serious trouble if someone did.

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[Edit] Actually.... I dont know where I might of gone wrong in the math... but for a VPS in myhosting.com they charge you 10$ a month extra for 3 terabytes of information. Mean while I calculated the cost of amazon and 3 terabytes of data transfer cost you 360$!!! with them.... thats a HUGE difference


That host looks shady. There is no way they could charge that little and not be losing money. 3TB / month is a solid 1.2MB/s every second of the month. Compare that to other VPS providers and it's order of magnitudes cheaper than anyone else. Not to mention their prices for ram and cores are extremely underpriced as well. They claim to be able to run a 16 core server with 8GB of ram, 200GB of disk and 3.6TB of bandwidth per month for under $100 per month?

Think about it this way, that is basically a dedicated T1 worth of bandwidth per month. Price out how much a T1 connection is and see if their charges make sense. Sure, there is some economy of scale, but not to that degree. What they must be banking on is no one uses the amount of service they buy and they would be in serious trouble if someone did.
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Honestly if its too good to be true, more then likely it is. But a few things, since they are virtual machines you are sharing those cores so its not like your getting the exclusively, by increasing the number of cores your VPS gets Im assuming that just means you get a slightly larger processing boost vs the people that can only access 8. As for the memory, It cost me ~100 dollars to put 16 gb of ram brand new on my current machine so if they charge me only 10 dollars a month for memory they would make a profit after a while.

As for the bandwidth, my numbers might be off (Ill check at work tomorrow, please dont prosecute me if Im incorrect) but I believe we pay the equivalent of a little over 10$ per Mbs of server in a colocation. Again I might be off by a big factor I just remember when my boss showed me the bill I was like "Wait thats all we pay for a 105 mb up/down?" Again Ill check.

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[Edit] Actually.... I dont know where I might of gone wrong in the math... but for a VPS in myhosting.com they charge you 10$ a month extra for 3 terabytes of information. Mean while I calculated the cost of amazon and 3 terabytes of data transfer cost you 360$!!! with them.... thats a HUGE difference


That host looks shady. There is no way they could charge that little and not be losing money. 3TB / month is a solid 1.2MB/s every second of the month. Compare that to other VPS providers and it's order of magnitudes cheaper than anyone else. Not to mention their prices for ram and cores are extremely underpriced as well. They claim to be able to run a 16 core server with 8GB of ram, 200GB of disk and 3.6TB of bandwidth per month for under $100 per month?

Think about it this way, that is basically a dedicated T1 worth of bandwidth per month. Price out how much a T1 connection is and see if their charges make sense. Sure, there is some economy of scale, but not to that degree. What they must be banking on is no one uses the amount of service they buy and they would be in serious trouble if someone did.
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Honestly if its too good to be true, more then likely it is. But a few things, since they are virtual machines you are sharing those cores so its not like your getting the exclusively, by increasing the number of cores your VPS gets Im assuming that just means you get a slightly larger processing boost vs the people that can only access 8. As for the memory, It cost me ~100 dollars to put 16 gb of ram brand new on my current machine so if they charge me only 10 dollars a month for memory they would make a profit after a while.

As for the bandwidth, my numbers might be off (Ill check at work tomorrow, please dont prosecute me if Im incorrect) but I believe we pay the equivalent of a little over 10$ per Mbs of server in a colocation. Again I might be off by a big factor I just remember when my boss showed me the bill I was like "Wait thats all we pay for a 105 mb up/down?" Again Ill check.
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Keep in mind there is a difference between burst bandwidth and sustained bandwidth usage. It's also important to differentiate between MB/s and Mb/s. The VPS you linked shows it as bytes, and most bandwidth charges are measured in bits. So the sustained 1.2 MB/s is actually around 10 Mb/s. Most of what I'm finding for colo bandwidth prices are from $30 to $50 per Mbps which would put that amount of bandwidth at $300 to $500 / month. Like I said, they probably bank on the fact that practically none of their customers use even a fraction of the bandwidth / performance they are paying for and I wouldn't be surprised that customers who do take full advantage of the bandwidth / server have their accounts closed.
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[Edit] Actually.... I dont know where I might of gone wrong in the math... but for a VPS in myhosting.com they charge you 10$ a month extra for 3 terabytes of information. Mean while I calculated the cost of amazon and 3 terabytes of data transfer cost you 360$!!! with them.... thats a HUGE difference


That host looks shady. There is no way they could charge that little and not be losing money. 3TB / month is a solid 1.2MB/s every second of the month. Compare that to other VPS providers and it's order of magnitudes cheaper than anyone else. Not to mention their prices for ram and cores are extremely underpriced as well. They claim to be able to run a 16 core server with 8GB of ram, 200GB of disk and 3.6TB of bandwidth per month for under $100 per month?

Think about it this way, that is basically a dedicated T1 worth of bandwidth per month. Price out how much a T1 connection is and see if their charges make sense. Sure, there is some economy of scale, but not to that degree. What they must be banking on is no one uses the amount of service they buy and they would be in serious trouble if someone did.
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Honestly if its too good to be true, more then likely it is. But a few things, since they are virtual machines you are sharing those cores so its not like your getting the exclusively, by increasing the number of cores your VPS gets Im assuming that just means you get a slightly larger processing boost vs the people that can only access 8. As for the memory, It cost me ~100 dollars to put 16 gb of ram brand new on my current machine so if they charge me only 10 dollars a month for memory they would make a profit after a while.

As for the bandwidth, my numbers might be off (Ill check at work tomorrow, please dont prosecute me if Im incorrect) but I believe we pay the equivalent of a little over 10$ per Mbs of server in a colocation. Again I might be off by a big factor I just remember when my boss showed me the bill I was like "Wait thats all we pay for a 105 mb up/down?" Again Ill check.
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Keep in mind there is a difference between burst bandwidth and sustained bandwidth usage. It's also important to differentiate between MB/s and Mb/s. The VPS you linked shows it as bytes, and most bandwidth charges are measured in bits. So the sustained 1.2 MB/s is actually around 10 Mb/s. Most of what I'm finding for colo bandwidth prices are from $30 to $50 per Mbps which would put that amount of bandwidth at $300 to $500 / month. Like I said, they probably bank on the fact that practically none of their customers use even a fraction of the bandwidth / performance they are paying for and I wouldn't be surprised that customers who do take full advantage of the bandwidth / server have their accounts closed.
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You're completely mixing things here, you can't compare host bandwidth pricing with consumer bandwidth pricing, those hosts DO NOT simply "buy X T1 lines".
Large host directly peer with large isp providers and have two deals on very large (terabytes) amount of bandwidth, this cannot be compared to selling 1Mb to someone over a phone line. I'm a customer of OVH, a very very large provider, and i have fully unlimited bandwidth with my private cloud and, before upgrading, had the same thing on my 150€/month dedicated server, i simply have 100mb/sec to most providers from the server, both ways and unmetered, but they definately don't pay it at the rates you guessed, actually my guess is they pay for the routers and that's it.

Also while i pinch in i suggest OVH as an host, it's not a "cheapo host for broke people" but an actual good enterprise host (i have a 64GHZ 64GB ram unlimited windows server VM private cloud with them, which i'm very happy about), but they also have more reasonably priced options.

If you're looking for cheap options their VPS start pretty cheap and (unlike what i've seen before in this thread) vps is NOT shared hosting, the physical hardware may contain multiple VPS, but the VPS itself (and the allocated ressources) is yours, you get the ressources you paid for, no spikes no nothing and no one else logging on your OS.

http://www.ovh.com/fr/vps/

Now it's not actually cheap for the specs if you go for the lowest version, but it DOES have unlimited bandwidth over 100mb connection even at 15€/month (limited to 50mb/sec if using UDP)

If you're looking for something highter speced look at their dedicated servers starting at 50€ http://www.ovh.com/fr/serveurs_dedies/superplan_mini.xml core I3 (dual + HT) 16GB ram 2TB storage and still unlimited bandwidth over 100MB connection. Of course that's not the 5$ budget/month you had in mind, but you're not getting fully unlimlited FAST bandwidth at that price and 15 for unlimited bandwidth is damn cheap as well as 50$ for a real server!

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