Visual Studio 11 Express for Windows 8 provides tools for Metro style app development. To create desktop apps, you need to use Visual Studio 11 Professional, or higher.[/quote]
Well that's just brilliant. Thanks a lot Microsoft.
Visual Studio 11 Express
May 22, 2012 01:29 AM
http://www.microsoft...roducts/express
648
May 22, 2012 05:00 AM
So they're literally forcing new developers onto other platforms now?
Steven Ballmer thinks not. Apparently Metro is simply the greatest thing since burnt toast. Once developers see how fantastic and great it is, and how they can experience the same Metro feel on different formats, they can't go back. Windows is dead. Long live Metro.
Sad, sad news.
Edit: for spelling and wording.
Steven Ballmer thinks not. Apparently Metro is simply the greatest thing since burnt toast. Once developers see how fantastic and great it is, and how they can experience the same Metro feel on different formats, they can't go back. Windows is dead. Long live Metro.
Sad, sad news.
Edit: for spelling and wording.
It is I, the spectaculous Don Karnage! My bloodthirsty horde is on an intercept course with you. We will be shooting you and looting you in precisely... Ten minutes. Felicitations!
May 22, 2012 05:11 AM
Windows is dead.
Frankly this just makes me want to go back to OpenGL + GCC/MinGW.
Steam is coming to Linux finally. Maybe consumers will hate Windows 8 and Windows really will die. I can always hope.
5,385
May 22, 2012 06:34 AM
Steam is coming to Linux finally. Maybe consumers will hate Windows 8 and Windows really will die. I can always hope.
For consumer market, windows is already on the way out (outside of pc gaming). Mobile computing (or at a real outside chance osx) will replace it
Steam is already on osx, those who have not switched unix by now are unlikely to migrate en masse in the future. Certainly neither me nor anyone I know plans to. Tried linux, didn't like it, went back to windows. If windows doesn't do what I want, then osx.
For business market, they will just buy pro version of visual studio and continue making desktop apps, until inertia overcomes them and it goes on the web, so at least 10-15 more years.
if you think programming is like sex, you probably haven't done much of either.-------------- - capn_midnight
5,051
May 22, 2012 06:38 AM
Oh no. Nononono. That's nonsense. I guess I'll backup some 2010 installs for extra safety, and don't switch.
Previously "Krohm"
778
May 22, 2012 07:53 AM
Though I will stay with VC 2008 Express because I have no need to upgrade, I will say thanks to MS, so generous. Express version is so good and is also FREE.
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2,900
May 22, 2012 08:07 AM
[quote name='Don Carnage' timestamp='1337662800' post='4942091']
Windows is dead.
Frankly this just makes me want to go back to OpenGL + GCC/MinGW.
Steam is coming to Linux finally. Maybe consumers will hate Windows 8 and Windows really will die. I can always hope.
[/quote]
Possible flame war warning:
[spoiler]
Now now there - don't diss the OS because of the company. Apple couldn't take the heat.
[/spoiler]
11,263
May 22, 2012 09:00 AM
Given the utter fail which is the VS11 UI I really wouldn't worry that much about it...
About the only annoying thing about VS11 is that .Net4.5/C#5 dev seems tied to it - I want to play with async/await + Rx2 god damn it!
About the only annoying thing about VS11 is that .Net4.5/C#5 dev seems tied to it - I want to play with async/await + Rx2 god damn it!
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May 22, 2012 12:24 PM
Oh no. Nononono. That's nonsense. I guess I'll backup some 2010 installs for extra safety, and don't switch.
The page mentions that VS 2010 Express will remain available for free download. This is still crappy news, though.
2,410
May 22, 2012 12:55 PM
Windows 8 is transitional technology. Win 9 will be the shift. It will then transform into the following two branches:
- Consumer market, completely regulated, built on top of WinRT, completely sandboxed, but limited in what can be done. No new technology, platforms, no new browsers, text editors, ... You get nice XML frontends to display your blogs, pictures and movies, obviously only in MS-supported formats.
- Infrastructure market. Like old Windows, general purpose computing, but at an increasingly high price. Since it will be reserved for a handful of licensed partners, they may as well set the starter price at $100k for compiler - it won't matter. Those that need it or use it have business models that support it. Just like they do for IBM or Oracle.
As for market sizes - MS is shrinking it. Instead of old monopoly, they created their own world. Phones, *XBox*, tablets, laptops, PCs, servers. This new platform will support everything, from internet, mail, social, cloud services - all made on top of Microsoft's proprietary technologies.
And in order to do that, they are abandoning the rest of the world, the open source, Apple, Linux, ... It no longer matters to them, if anything, it's vital that they lose dominant status to prevent old monopoly laws from kicking in. Second reason why it won't matter is because of absurdly high per-user profits available through such model.
Microsoft is playing long term here, 5, maybe 10 years. But when the shift is completed, it will be similar to the way rest of the world works (TV/Radio stations, cars, infrastructure). You, as a consumer, can tweak the knobs and maybe put a sticker on it. But want to become active in development of platform, better pay through your nose for the privilege of entering their market.
Economically, the price shifts kill SOHO type operations which traditionally represented majority, but offered smallest revenues.
The incredibly fast shift towards fully regulated platform is somewhat interesting as well. For the first time, there is no serious alternative or contender. On desktop there is *nix, but it doesn't come close to anything consumer-friendly. On mobiles, there is simply nothing. Android isn't really open and it relies completely on device vendors.
But as an article quite a while ago said, this is the war on general purpose computing.
For a practical example on how this matters: you will no longer be able to build Chrome, Firefox, MySql, git, Ruby, Python, Mono (interpreters/VMs), SDL-based apps, DosBox, Qt and so on for Windows without paid Professional edition (2010 will work for now, but as said, this is just transitional).
- Consumer market, completely regulated, built on top of WinRT, completely sandboxed, but limited in what can be done. No new technology, platforms, no new browsers, text editors, ... You get nice XML frontends to display your blogs, pictures and movies, obviously only in MS-supported formats.
- Infrastructure market. Like old Windows, general purpose computing, but at an increasingly high price. Since it will be reserved for a handful of licensed partners, they may as well set the starter price at $100k for compiler - it won't matter. Those that need it or use it have business models that support it. Just like they do for IBM or Oracle.
As for market sizes - MS is shrinking it. Instead of old monopoly, they created their own world. Phones, *XBox*, tablets, laptops, PCs, servers. This new platform will support everything, from internet, mail, social, cloud services - all made on top of Microsoft's proprietary technologies.
And in order to do that, they are abandoning the rest of the world, the open source, Apple, Linux, ... It no longer matters to them, if anything, it's vital that they lose dominant status to prevent old monopoly laws from kicking in. Second reason why it won't matter is because of absurdly high per-user profits available through such model.
Microsoft is playing long term here, 5, maybe 10 years. But when the shift is completed, it will be similar to the way rest of the world works (TV/Radio stations, cars, infrastructure). You, as a consumer, can tweak the knobs and maybe put a sticker on it. But want to become active in development of platform, better pay through your nose for the privilege of entering their market.
Economically, the price shifts kill SOHO type operations which traditionally represented majority, but offered smallest revenues.
The incredibly fast shift towards fully regulated platform is somewhat interesting as well. For the first time, there is no serious alternative or contender. On desktop there is *nix, but it doesn't come close to anything consumer-friendly. On mobiles, there is simply nothing. Android isn't really open and it relies completely on device vendors.
But as an article quite a while ago said, this is the war on general purpose computing.
For a practical example on how this matters: you will no longer be able to build Chrome, Firefox, MySql, git, Ruby, Python, Mono (interpreters/VMs), SDL-based apps, DosBox, Qt and so on for Windows without paid Professional edition (2010 will work for now, but as said, this is just transitional).
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