Regarding the article you actually were referring to, it's just as ignorant, if not as blatantly racist.

You do realize that Leon Trotsky, a key Bolshevik and leader of the Red Army during the genesis of the USSR, was the one who coined the word 'racist' and preconfigured the ideology of anti-racism so as to specifically destroy White European civilization, making it amenable to communist revolution (Source: http://www.marxists....0/hrr/index.htm). Anti-racism, like every Marxist movement, will ultimately fail in the same way that say literal Creationism has failed: it's not grounded in reality.

History will venerate John Carmack and everyone else from absense of apology, for there is no reason to apologize towards the imposition of a bankrupt ideology.

I hope this isn't the last we hear from you on the topic. I don't give a shit about political correctness, but ignorance, myopia, elitism, and prejudice all rub me the wrong way.

And I couldn't help but notice, but you say you don't care about Political Correctness, and yet you unwittingly play your role to the narrative. Perhaps its time to unplug yourself from the matrix, wake up and realize you're being played as nothing more than a pawn in a game of conquest that has been going on for over a century.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/299918/censored-race-war-thomas-sowell

Oh wait, that last editorial, like Derbyshire's, was also pulled days after being published. Gee, I wonder why. Here's the Google cache version.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Ikz6UnQKS8IJ:www.nationalreview.com/articles/299918/censored-race-war-thomas-sowell+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

Well this is rapidly turning into one of the scariest threads I've ever seen here.

Actually this thread is quite civil. Where did you see the scary parts? (not being snide, just asking)

Actually this thread is quite civil. Where did you see the scary parts? (not being snide, just asking)

I don't mean scary as uncivil, just as some pretty odd sort-of-paranoid beliefs that I would have thought was a bit farther from the mainstream. I guess I just don't spend that much time worrying about protecting "White European civilization" because it's not really in danger and who cares anyway? I see using skin color as an important indicator as, if not evil, at least very lazy and ultimately not beneficial to either party.

I don't mean scary as uncivil, just as some pretty odd sort-of-paranoid beliefs that I would have thought was a bit farther from the mainstream.

There was a time when the idea that the Earth was flat instead of spherical was mainstream. Yes, there is the stigma of conspiracy and paranoia, but it's all in one's head. Judge the evidence or the argument on its own merits.

I guess I just don't spend that much time worrying about protecting "White European civilization" because it's not really in danger and who cares anyway?

At the very least, it's in the same type of danger as the Japanese civilization. With a global average fertility rate of around ~1.6 and comprising only around 8% of the World's population, White Europeans will be extinct within a matter of centuries and displaced far before then unless current trends change. Keep in mind that Japan keeps its borders much more closed to immigration than the West. Of course, things can and will change in the future, but we don't live in the future--we're responsible for the future.

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I see using skin color as an important indicator as, if not evil, at least very lazy and ultimately not beneficial to either party.

Is it simply just skin color? And why do you think it is evil to protect something?

http://www.edge.org/...g-out-of-africa
http://www.nature.co...-planet-1.10561
http://www.pnas.org/...8/29/1109300108
http://www.ncbi.nlm....act&holding=npg
http://www.ncbi.nlm....act&holding=npg
http://www.medical-h...0537-4/abstract
http://www.nature.co.../mp201185a.html
http://www.nature.co...ll/ng.2250.html
http://www.nature.co...ll/ng.2237.html
http://www.sciencema...1/1717.abstract

All you've done is attempt to damage the reputation of another in a public forum.

QFE - seeing this is just a thread about slandering someone's reputation (and only at all relevant because said person is well known in this community - for reasons outside of the scope of this thread), does anyone care if I close it?

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Let me be clear; I have nothing against you. I think we probably just ultimately have different value systems. There are certain things that I want to see exist in the future, and there are certain things that you want to see exist in the future, and they might turn out to be mutually exclusive (in fact I'd say that's fairly certain). And that's fine.

There are certain things you're saying that I don't think are true, factually, but even if you changed your mind about all of those things I wouldn't expect or want you to change your fundamental value system, so I'm willing to not worry about those things if you are.

Let me be clear; I have nothing against you. I think we probably just ultimately have different value systems. There are certain things that I want to see exist in the future, and there are certain things that you want to see exist in the future, and they might turn out to be mutually exclusive (in fact I'd say that's fairly certain). And that's fine.

This is not an argument about fundamental value systems. This is an argument about certain historical, societal, and biological truths. Objective facts aren't a projection of one's value system, they're either true or they're not. Attack my actual statements and my evidence with logic. Don't fallaciously attack my character, even if that wasn't your intention. Hiding ad hominen or strawman arguments with the illusion of apology and compromise doesn't make it acceptable.

There are certain things you're saying that I don't think are true, factually, but even if you changed your mind about all of those things I wouldn't expect or want you to change your fundamental value system, so I'm willing to not worry about those things if you are.

I have provided what I believe to be factual evidence to support my claims. Perhaps you haven't yet had the time or the motivation to fully go through what I have cited. If you don't want to argue about it, or to research it on your own time, then that's your loss.

This is not an argument about fundamental value systems. This is an argument about certain historical, societal, and biological truths. Objective facts aren't a projection of one's value system, they're either true or they're not. Attack my actual statements and my evidence with logic. Don't fallaciously attack my character, even if that wasn't your intention. Hiding ad hominen or strawman arguments with the illusion of apology and compromise doesn't make it acceptable.

You value the continued existence of "White Europeans" as a distinct category in the future. I don't. I don't see how this is anything other than a difference in value systems, and I certainly don't see how this is a fallacious attack on your character; hence why I was willing to leave the debate at that.

And you're right: I didn't read that entire book on Marxism to see if Trotsky "preconfigured the ideology of anti-racism so as to specifically destroy White European civilization." The truth is that "anti-racism" as it would normally interpreted existed long before any of these things happened, and to imply otherwise (even if you "meant" something more specific by "anti-racism") is disingenuous and not constructive. I'd ask you to be more specific than citing an entire book with no page numbers etc., but "your belief is wrong because it was invented by a bad person" is not constructive in the first place; it's used frequently and it's typically a way to attempt to discredit perfectly reasonable beliefs by linking them, however indirectly, to some unfortunate implication.

EDIT: As for the other things you've linked to, yes, I get it, you're trying to provide the most convincing case you can that people of different races are fundamentally different in terms of both body and mind. I could try to provide a compelling counter-case, because you're right, I don't believe it, but I don't see any reason to bother because I don't care; even if everything you said was exactly the way you want it to be, it wouldn't change the fact that I like meeting lots of new people without worrying about where they come from. I know a lot of people who don't look like me and who descended from people in different countries and who have different-colored skin from me and I'm subjectively much better off for it. Different value systems. So what?