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Being philosophical when you really shouldn't - here's your chance!

Started by February 22, 2012 03:54 AM
146 comments, last by jpetrie 12 years, 8 months ago

Studying primates will also not have accurate results since cultural influences will have not played a role in either's genders evolution.

Isn't that exactly what you want? Just the biological differences (though keep in mind that even chimps have culturally-influenced gender roles/education).

If you are willing to give up the biological differences argument, well, then we are all happy to agree with you that 'within current cultural context, males show increased aptitude for mathematics versus females'.

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Clarification sought:

two identical twins girl and boy are both raised in a controlled environment
--- Identical?
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Clarification sought: [quote name='SteveDeFacto' timestamp='1330359459' post='4917031']
two identical twins girl and boy are both raised in a controlled environment
--- Identical?
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Well the experiment would require some genetic engineering...

Isn't that exactly what you want? Just the biological differences (though keep in mind that even chimps have culturally-influenced gender roles/education).

If you are willing to give up the biological differences argument, well, then we are all happy to agree with you that 'within current cultural context, males show increased aptitude for mathematics versus females'.

We could just do a study of the Mosuo and another Patriarchal city somewhere in the tibet-ish region of China. I'm pretty sure someone has already done this and shown that biology has nothing to do with it.

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Isn't that exactly what you want? Just the biological differences (though keep in mind that even chimps have culturally-influenced gender roles/education).

If you are willing to give up the biological differences argument, well, then we are all happy to agree with you that 'within current cultural context, males show increased aptitude for mathematics versus females'.

We could just do a study of the Mosuo and another Patriarchal city somewhere in the tibet-ish region of China. I'm pretty sure someone has already done this and shown that biology has nothing to do with it.
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That would not work either. We don't know that the culture has influenced female evolution the same way it has in the US. For example one study shows women are getting more beautiful. And another study shows that women are getting shorter and heavier. However, with the last one I would argue that they are only heavier because they had more children. Anyway, culture has a strong influence on mate selection and as a result it has a strong influence on evolution.
@Steve: I want to know why you target women so much in these ideas of yours. mellow.png You don't think men are, like, superior or anything do you? sad.png
I'm that imaginary number in the parabola of life.
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That would not work either. We don't know that the culture has influenced female evolution the same way it has in the US. For example one study shows women are getting more beautiful. And another study shows that women are getting shorter and heavier. However, with the last one I would argue that they are only heavier because they had more children


You should actually read what you are writing and think about it before you post.

  1. Beauty is subjective
  2. Your belief for women in society getting heavier is because they had more children?

Stop the damn verbal diarrhea. Just base your arguments sensibly. Please.

@Steve: I want to know why you target women so much in these ideas of yours. mellow.png You don't think men are, like, superior or anything do you? sad.png


No, women are good at what they have evolved to do. For example men are not very fertile nor do they have sufficient mammary gland to feed a child.

For example men are not very fertile

Why do you think a gender that can fill it's reproductive role every couple of hours from puberty until death is less fertile than a gender that can only reproduce for a fixed number of times over a limited timeframe?

Beauty is subjective


The perception of beauty is a sense which has evolved to increase our children's chances of survival. One could say the sense of pain is subjective yet among all higher life forms the general consensus is that pain is bad.


Your belief for women in society getting heavier is because they had more children?

Isn't it common knowledge that carrying a child tends to increase a woman's weight?

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