And as you are moderator, that would be nice if you could check Help Wanted section from time to time because almost no one is respecting bump/multiple threads rules

Agree with you on that one - it's an arms race at the moment to see who can bump the most. It's making it difficult for honest posters to stick near the top of the listings as it's currently full of people just bumping their threads or announcing minor updates.

I wonder if there should be some kind of new mandatory template for composers & sound guys that gives a lot more detail - previous projects, credits, etc - that way anyone shopping can see at a glance who's appropriate and who isn't.

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And as you are moderator, that would be nice if you could check Help Wanted section from time to time because almost no one is respecting bump/multiple threads rules

Agree with you on that one - it's an arms race at the moment to see who can bump the most. It's making it difficult for honest posters to stick near the top of the listings as it's currently full of people just bumping their threads or announcing minor updates.

I wonder if there should be some kind of new mandatory template for composers & sound guys that gives a lot more detail - previous projects, credits, etc - that way anyone shopping can see at a glance who's appropriate and who isn't.



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There is already rule, if I remember right giving you two bumps with use at every time you want, and than you can bump once every two weeks. Which imo is really okay.
Of course some people are just replying at their topic with things like "thanks for comment !" without even any update.
Imo it should be just watched by moderator, thats all. 5 minutes of work everyday for someone.
And this restricted rules should be mostly against us, music developers since we flood the "help" forum so much...

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[quote name='Jog' timestamp='1321655851' post='4885436']
And as you are moderator, that would be nice if you could check Help Wanted section from time to time because almost no one is respecting bump/multiple threads rules

Agree with you on that one - it's an arms race at the moment to see who can bump the most. It's making it difficult for honest posters to stick near the top of the listings as it's currently full of people just bumping their threads or announcing minor updates.

I wonder if there should be some kind of new mandatory template for composers & sound guys that gives a lot more detail - previous projects, credits, etc - that way anyone shopping can see at a glance who's appropriate and who isn't.



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There is already rule, if I remember right giving you two bumps with use at every time you want, and than you can bump once every two weeks. Which imo is really okay.
Of course some people are just replying at their topic with things like "thanks for comment !" without even any update.
Imo it should be just watched by moderator, thats all. 5 minutes of work everyday for someone.
And this restricted rules should be mostly against us, music developers since we flood the "help" forum so much...
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Yep, I agree.

What bugs me most is that many of the people who abuse bumping don't even care about the rest of this great site.
I mean, this is a forum and not a bulletin board. If you're offering a job, sure - but if you're offering your services, you better get in the game.

Can't do anything against that, I know - just saying.

Sure can do. Moderator just should give them some "bad note" at their topic. Like "Be a fair. Bump you'r topic like rules say" and im sure some people would think twice before they would do it again. Or just Banzord

Sure can do. Moderator just should give them some "bad note" at their topic. Like "Be a fair. Bump you'r topic like rules say" and im sure some people would think twice before they would do it again. Or just Banzord

What I mean is that you can't do anything about people not involving in the rest of the talk going on here.

About the bumping: as I said, I agree.

And not even replying to pleas for fairness and just going on about it like nothing ever happened is just plain rude. This is where a mod should step in.

I'm just going to jump in with my two cents here.
I'm a passionate musician, I LOVE making music, it's what I do.
There are passionate programmers, developers, etc., who LOVE making games, that's what they do.
The people putting these games out aren't always making money, but people still play the games.
Not everyone is at the same experience level here and not everyone wants to make this a profession.
My situation is this: I have a lot of great tracks, and I'm making more all the time. However, I cannot perform this music live. So why not offer it up to people who can put it in their video games that people are playing? People hear the soundtrack and go, "I like that tune, who is that?" they search the credits and there's my website link. Maybe they click around, download a few tunes, tell a friend, who knows? I gain exposure and experience, which in the end can lead to more paying gigs. People who jump onto the scene demanding money as virtual "nobodies" just end up looking daft and egotistic, IMO.
I don't know where I'm going with this exactly, but what I'm trying to say is that I'd rather have someone play my game or hear my music and enjoy it than get caught up in whether I'm going to be paid for my contribution. I mean, seriously... who gets into music for money?
Just my thoughts, idk.

And as you are moderator, that would be nice if you could check Help Wanted section from time to time because almost no one is respecting bump/multiple threads rules

I'm the Music and Sound moderator so this is my focus. Sure, I help out and branch out when extra help is needed but the Help Wanted forum already has a dedicated moderator and I don't feel it's appropriate to step on his toes.

Imo it should be just watched by moderator, thats all. 5 minutes of work everyday for someone.

Clearly you've never actually moderated a website with traffic like GD.net before. LOL Just look at how many posts get added daily - all throughout the day (and night). And moderators do this for free so our jobs, families, hobbies and friends also need to balance into the day.

Sure can do. Moderator just should give them some "bad note" at their topic. Like "Be a fair. Bump you'r topic like rules say" and im sure some people would think twice before they would do it again. Or just Banzord

Moderators already do give out warnings and the whole community can rate up and down any post. Finally we do ban and/or delete certain posts and users based on their activity.

People who jump onto the scene demanding money as virtual "nobodies" just end up looking daft and egotistic, IMO.
I don't know where I'm going with this exactly, but what I'm trying to say is that I'd rather have someone play my game or hear my music and enjoy it than get caught up in whether I'm going to be paid for my contribution. I mean, seriously... who gets into music for money?

Your thoughts, while you have the right to express them, are seriously flawed. And naive, honestly. By your logic a new doctor shouldn't charge for the first few years of setting up shop. Nor should a newly open store! A lawyer should just work for free until they have enough credentials to make you, the customer, feel like their services are worth you paying something. Meanwhile any (and all) start up businesses have a ton of initial costs. So from an economic stance your logic is flawed.

Also your thoughts (or logic) contribute to the lowered value (or perceived lowered value) of audio work. If you want to give your work away for free - that's fine. It's your call. But to ignore the impact of your actions on the industry, producers and game developer's stance of audio and undercutting other audio freelancers then preach about how others look "daft and egotistic" is just showcases a lack of common business sense. It also comes off offensive.

People get into trades because they're passionate about them and have some natural talent at it. It's fine that you enjoy writing music but let me ask you a simple question:

If you could write music full time and not worry about paying bills and buying food, would you?

But everyone has to worry about paying bills and buying food. Very few people can live their entire lives off a super wealth and never have to work. So you're left with two options basically:

1) Do audio (music) as a hobby and whatever you make is a small bonus. But much of your time will need to be spent focusing on a "regular" job to be able to support yourself. Are you happy spending more or less time creating audio for games?

2) Try and make audio (music) a full time job by contracting or finding in-house work.

Neither option is a sell out. Neither means you're a bad person or makes one "daft and egotistic." Nor does it mean one is greedy. If you're just starting out, make your rates appropriate. "Hi, I charge $5 per song." Because attaching a tangible value to your craft, talents and work is a very good thing. Just giving it away for free has been shown to be unsustainable in the long term and people tend to not value things that are given away for free.

The notion that folks are wrong or greedy for attempting to make a living doing music (or audio, or anything creative) is just.... wrong. Is it wrong that John Williams makes money writing film scores? Is it wrong that bands make money writing/producing songs and giving live concerts? At first it's out of passion. But people need to eat and pay bills, yes? If you never want to make game audio your job, your living - fine! Keep doing what you're doing if that makes you happy. But respect others that are trying to make game audio their livelihood.

The other flaw in your logic is that this IS a business. Like it or not - companies don't form just to make games. It's a side mission, sure! But companies HAVE to produce a profit or they go out of business. My audio company has to get work and make a profit or I'll go out of business. Also the gear (hardware and software) can cost a pretty penny and the vendors I shop from do not care if I'm a first year composer-sound designer or a 20 year veteran. If I want the gear, I'm gonna have to spend the money to get it.

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Imo it should be just watched by moderator, thats all. 5 minutes of work everyday for someone.

Clearly you've never actually moderated a website with traffic like GD.net before. LOL Just look at how many posts get added daily - all throughout the day (and night). And moderators do this for free so our jobs, families, hobbies and friends also need to balance into the day.[/quote]

Definitely true Nate -- a non-issue now that Help Wanted is being phased out in favour of the new "Classifieds" system, but as the moderator of the Help Wanted forum I can tell you that between approving new topics for display and trying to enforce the various forum rules, it was very rare for my daily check-in on the Help Wanted forum to take any less than 30 minutes, and on busy days it was sometimes more than an hour. We did however always have the "report" buttons, which would always ensure a topic got checked properly -- it's unfortunate that so many users apparently had complaints about the forum but didn't bother using these buttons to draw attention to the problem users.

Thanks for chiming in JB. I do really dig the concept of putting the jobs under the classified section, hopefully it works out a little better then the previous system. I did laugh a little though that the only job posted under the audio category is somebody advertising their sound services. Old habits die hard I guess