Well I dont think anyone is going to be swayed to think differently from what they already know. Everything surrounding 9/11 is a joke though. We went to war with the wrong people, we lied about wmds which all this middle east conquering has killed way way more people than 9/11. The original heroes of 9/11 were not even allowed to be present at the ceremony yesterday. In order to get benefits for workers on that day, you had to prove this and that to make sure you weren't a terrorist..............joke.

[color="#1C2837"]The building then pancakes onto itself, as the weight of each floor becomes too much for the one underneath it, and the process accelerates until the entire building is down.
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[color="#1c2837"]Well there are apparently engineers that believe differently. I don't know any and who knows they could be making that up. Also, people rig buildings to fall straight down when they blow them up to demolish them, and even they they make mistakes. Your telling me that these 3 buildings just worked? No 3 day demolition setup with double checks to make sure the buildings will collapse straight? Because apparently it takes thought and people get paid salaries to drop buildings that perfectly.
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[color="#1c2837"]I don't care who did it and it always seems strange to believe it was an inside job, I have my doubts, but the official printed story is bogus. Someone somewhere is lying. Is our intelligence and CIA that bad at doing their jobs? I mean I laughed watching Bachmann debate saying that the patriot act and intelligence is proven to work because we got Bin Laden.............10 years later.

[color=#1C2837][size=2]Well I dont think anyone is going to be swayed to think differently from what they already know.[/quote]


Anyone who is not persuaded by persuasive arguments can't have their opinion taken seriously. If people stubbornly ignore the evidence put before them, how can they ever hope to find the truth?

[color=#1C2837][size=2]No 3 day demolition setup with double checks to make sure the buildings will collapse straight? Because apparently it takes thought and people get paid salaries to drop buildings that perfectly.[/quote]

Indeed it does. But look at similar controlled demolition videos on youtube and a common theme you will see is several seconds worth of distinct explosions as the supports are taken out before the building collapses. I highlight 'several seconds' to ward against the inevitable 'but there were explosions from all the WTC buildings half a second before collapse! Look at this video!' I shall refer back to my previous website for the details on that one if there are any such queries!

Oh FFS...

As a side note - I ditched my TV for good some 6 months ago. If it weren't for reddit, I wouldn't know it was 9/11. [/quote]
welcome to the fold, I havent had a TV for more than 10 years. eg sep 11 I had to follow from the newspaper (& online) they were bringing out 2 newspapers a day for that week, IIRC.
More than 10 years without watching TV & I havent missed it at all. Still watch heaps of film 29 films already this month (day 13) so still get my share of squareboxing

No, but seriously. Aliens.

No, but seriously. Aliens.

I was going to put Aliens in the poll, but I went for 'other' instead. Damn.

There's actually a "documentary" that tries to disprove that any planes were used at all, and then further "investigations" built upon that work that argue that UFO technology was used and footage doctored to look like planes!

the weakened side of the [WTC7] building (due to having a massive hole gouged in it through flying debris) caused that side to collapse first. The loss of structural integrity at that moment then caused the rest of the building to go. The building then pancakes onto itself, as the weight of each floor becomes too much for the one underneath it, and the process accelerates until the entire building is down.

Pancakes? Is that even what the NIST report uses as an explanation?The bottom floors fail first, with the upper floors being demolished as they fall onto the lower floors. Also, the process begins with about 3 seconds of completely free-fall (measured 9.8m/s) acceleration, showing the upper floors didn't encounter any resistance during that time (meaning quite a large lower section was suddenly removed).
You don't have to take that to mean that this lower section was blown out with explosives, but it does completely contradict "pancaking".

Also, even Fox news reports that Silverstein wanted to take down the building via controlled demolition that day (and there's plenty of footage of police calmly telling people to get back from WTC7 because "they're gonna blow it up", plus the TV reports of it collapsing before it happened), although Fox concludes that it spontaneously collapsed before they got the chance to blow it. It's a pretty weird article, seeing how thoroughly debunked the "Silverstein ordered demolition" rumours were supposed to be.

No, but seriously. Aliens.

That guy makes Bill look sane and reasonable (and this coming from someone that loves those shows).
EDIT: oh my god that makes me bust out laughing.

I honestly don't really care about 11/9 (Seriously use a proper date format), the amount of people that died is almost negligible compared to the amount of people died because of the response to it.

I chose 'Other' because I don't know who did it, I don't have enough information nor know enough about the event to sway me either way. Occam's Razor, at first glance, makes one want to just say yeah, terrorists did it (Kind of a simple explanation), however if there was a conspiracy it would be the easiest thing to say for people to accept. In my opinion it is a just investigation because there is reasonable doubt and potential motives to force an attack.

Anyway, I hate my countries leaders and their choices for following the US into such a retarded war, how about before messing with other peoples weapons of mass destruction remove your own.

I've looked at a lot of the facts, and, IMHO, there's no way to judge if the government "let it happen" or if the government was just incompetent. I tend to lean towards the latter. The fact is that the US government could have connected the dots, and other groups like the Israelis did connect some, but federal level law enforcement is reactive, not proactive. The feds were designed to react to mobsters, drug traffickers and other large and medium sized organized crime, not to be proactive towards small, well funded terrorist groups.

However, most people I talk to seem to think it's "let it happen" / "helped it out", since there's no way terrorists could do that by themselves. I think of it in ancient history terms, when the Romans rewrote their histories so their defeats were at the hands of other Romans. (They were barbarians, but their leader was Roman!)

Supports do not need to 'melt' to fail. Even heated to a point below 'glowing red' will reduce the strength of a steel column by a huge margin.

That's fair - sub-red hot can fail. What's your take on the orange/white-hot melted steel observed in the rubble though? Can the kinetic energy of the massive collapse melt it?

The exterior would hold for a short time as the interior sections fell, and then get pulled inward and down after the floor sections it was attached too. It wasn't going to fall to either side because the centers failed first, dropped down, and began dragging everything after it. The exterior walls would have guided the falling weight toward the center, and held in place until their own floors pulled them inward, and the weight pressing above them bent/broke each section.
Edit: Plus, if it had been taken down by demolition charges as some people claim, then we would have seen medium to high velocity debris and fragmentation projecting through the dust cloud at the initial stages of the explosion.[/quote]That sounds valid enough reading it, but when I read it alongside a video of the collapse (e.g. click, ignore the audio if you like) it doesn't really correlate: the exterior walls can be seen to peel outwards immediately after the top section collapses onto them and several-story tall sections of the outer walls are flung outwards across the street. The failure of the outer walls races down the face of the building ahead of the debris cloud, and debris from the initial collapse onset seems to be flung outwards at 60mph.