Between the Metro UI and Mango update for WP7, Windows Phones are going to get a huge upswing. Windows 8 will ride that wave successfully, IMO.

Still. I wonder how WPF and SL fit into the Windows 8 mold and MS's future in general.

WebGL is just a toy. It will make sure ads run at 60FPS. But little more beyond that.

We get Doom running on JS in FF 2.0. I believe WebGL is hardware-accelerated for the browser/web. So it may not be Crysis-ready, but does it need to be? Also, if it's not Crysis-ready, does that automatically make it a toy? IOW, why do you think it sucks?

I think MS needs to quit trying to be in every hardware market and focus on what they are good at.

Why would I buy a Windows tablet after seeing how bad they screwed up Zune and Windows Phones.

I wish they would spend their creative energy on making Windows 8 a better product for desktop users instead.

Windows is now dominant on netbooks, which are basically the same market as tablets (although the media like to count them separately) - consider, we don't separate phones depending on whether they have a physical keyboard or a touchscreen, do we? There are already "tablets" with physical keyboards, and some "netbooks" I believe have touchscreens, so the lines are increasingly blurred.

Windows 7 is fine on my netbook, and having it for tablets seems natural too. I dislike the way tablets have taken to running toy OSs, so I'd rather see more support for full OSs like Windows and Linux.

Don't see what's wrong with Zune or WP, either.

Copy & paste? Thanks guys, I'm pretty sure people were complaining about that before they even held the phone in their hands. In a market where Android is in a pissing contest with Apple over what phone will be the first to take over your lawn mower and mow your lawn for you[/quote]But copy/paste was one of the basic features that the Apple phones missed for years.

That, and 3G, video recording/calling, Java, Flash, multitasking and who knows what else. In a market when even feature phones - nevermind Nokia smartphones etc - have had these for years. I'm not aware of what advanced features you're alluding to with your lawn mower comparison.

I don't disagree it's sad if MS messed up development support in the past, but surely that's all the better than they're using Windows 8 for tablets, rather than the Zune OS or WP?

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I can say that I loved my HD2 (WinMo 6) but it had overheating issues, which are a known concern. I've upgraded to a HD7 (WP7) and the hardware has been stable. The interface... well that's a different story.

I've only used WP7 for 5 minutes at a time either on friends' phones or at the store. Can you elaborate some? All the early reviews I read didn't have many issues so I never looked into it further.
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Well after a couple of months with the Metro UI interface, I'm starting to get used to it. Things like Search (magnifying glass) becomes intuitive once you figure what it's for. Basically it's app sensitive. If you're on IE, it pulls up Bing, if you're on the Home Screen, it pulls up a list of apps. Etc. It's stable. Works. And I can get to all my apps in 2 to 3 taps or swipes.

In short, the transition from something like HTC Sense to Metro is a big adjustment. But once you get into it, you'll be content. Now I just want to see what Mango offers.

I hope SL 5 or 6 is as major a player as JS is gonna be.

Windows is now dominant on netbooks, which are basically the same market as tablets (although the media like to count them separately) - consider, we don't separate phones depending on whether they have a physical keyboard or a touchscreen, do we? There are already "tablets" with physical keyboards, and some "netbooks" I believe have touchscreens, so the lines are increasingly blurred.

Windows 7 is fine on my netbook, and having it for tablets seems natural too. I dislike the way tablets have taken to running toy OSs, so I'd rather see more support for full OSs like Windows and Linux.

If you look at the needs the products fill, netbooks and most tablets are pretty much the same. That's a much better way to compare them imo. Most tablets and netbooks are about getting quick access to the internet and light computing, which most of both do. In that regard they are very much direct competitors despite their very different form factors.

Why would I buy a Windows tablet after seeing how bad they screwed up Windows Phones.

They didn't. WinMo6 had quite a lot of fans and remember that was an old mobile OS. WP7 is a modern, innovative product.

I would say that it's possible to get VS like functionality out of a JS + HTML interface. Javascript is mostly a great language, and there are some excellent frameworks that help avoid some of the problems of Javascript. It really just needs better tools. If there was level of syntax highlighting, code completion and refactoring support for javascript that there is for C#, I think it would get a lot more love.

Bleh. You can make a nice interface in JS - look at Google Docs - but it's not anywhere like as responsive and slick. If Google can't do it, chances are it's not yet feasible. HTML5 within a native app, maybe.
JS may be a decent language but it's not designed for writing big applications. If it was so great, Google wouldn't have spent all that time writing tools to let you write in Java and have it translated to JS... the whole point of that was to treat JS as the compiled output without having to use it.

Bleh. You can make a nice interface in JS - look at Google Docs - but it's not anywhere like as responsive and slick. If Google can't do it, chances are it's not yet feasible. HTML5 within a native app, maybe.
JS may be a decent language but it's not designed for writing big applications. If it was so great, Google wouldn't have spent all that time writing tools to let you write in Java and have it translated to JS... the whole point of that was to treat JS as the compiled output without having to use it.

Is that a language restriction or a restriction of the language being used on the internet? I feel like JS running locally would probably be decent. I think their JS usage has more to do with simple apps that don't require anything that significant while apps that might be more resource restrictive would just do the same as they do now. I might have misunderstood their announcement though.

I think MS needs to quit trying to be in every hardware market and focus on what they are good at.

Why would I buy a Windows tablet after seeing how bad they screwed up Zune and Windows Phones.

I wish they would spend their creative energy on making Windows 8 a better product for desktop users instead.

What do you have against Window Phone 7? When my contract expired I decided to try WP7 instead of upgrading my iPhone from a 3G to a 4G. I can't imagine ever going back to the iPhone. For me, WP7 is a better product.

What do you have against Window Phone 7? When my contract expired I decided to try WP7 instead of upgrading my iPhone from a 3G to a 4G. I can't imagine ever going back to the iPhone. For me, WP7 is a better product.

The only reason I'd be hesitant of WP7 right now is just because it's app market isn't quite as extensive. Kind of a non-issue as I don't buy that many apps anyway, but it's always nice to know that if I needed an app to do pretty much anything it's there.