'way2lazy2care' said:

'owl' said:

stamp

apparently you deserve the same award.

why?

If I tell you working out every day will make you happier, this is sound advice. Scientifically proven that working out will give you more energy and that it releases endorphins, which make you happier.

If you are miserable because you're an alcoholic and your wife is about to leave you with your two children, my advice has nothing to do with the reason you are miserable.

The bible is more a guide to better your life than a laundry list of reasons you are miserable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent

'owl' said:

'way2lazy2care' said:

'owl' said:

stamp

apparently you deserve the same award.

why?

If I tell you working out every day will make you happier, this is sound advice. Scientifically proven that working out will give you more energy and that it releases endorphins, which make you happier.

If you are miserable because you're an alcoholic and your wife is about to leave you with your two children, my advice has nothing to do with the reason you are miserable.

The bible is more a guide to better your life than a laundry list of reasons you are miserable.

http://en.wikipedia…._the_consequent

Nope. I fail to see how all this rumbling relates to what I was talking about, to your assertion about my ignorance on religion and the questions you were asking about what I said.
Besides I also fail to see were the alcoholic, wife, children and laundry-list bits come from too (are these personal issues of yours?).
Lastly it seems that you miss-pasted a link that I'm sure you intended to share in another thread.

But it's ok. We all make mistakes!

'owl' said:

Religion is the clever explanation of WHY everything turns into misery in your life. The fact that it is spread by morons doesn't take the truth away from it. The best thing the devil did was convincing everyone that the truth can only be found in one place.

I am sorry you feel that way, but clearly you have never studied Christianity or Buddhism.

The bible is more a guide to better your life than a laundry list of reasons you are miserable.

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'way2lazy2care' said:

'owl' said:

Excuse me sherlock, how did you come to that conclusion based on what I said? The sermon of the mountain accounts pretty much for my first statement.

In what way does the sermon on the mount tell you why your life is miserable?

Which part of the sermon on the mount doesn't sound like a beautiful (yet possibly utopic) advice to you?

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'owl' said:

According to Jebus, worring about what you'll eat and what you will wear tomorrow is an incesesary concern. Pretty much the kind of concern that make most of us miserable.
How does that not correlates to what I was saying? Or more importantly, why didn't you see the relation?

telling someone something that will make them less miserable is not the same as telling them why they are miserable.

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If I tell you working out every day will make you happier, this is sound advice. Scientifically proven that working out will give you more energy and that it releases endorphins, which make you happier.

If you are miserable because you're an alcoholic and your wife is about to leave you with your two children, my advice has nothing to do with the reason you are miserable.

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http://en.wikipedia...._the_consequent

nope. still not making any sense... maybe if you post it once more it will make sense?

nope. still not making any sense... maybe if you post it once more it will make sense?

http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/symbolic_logic.html

alright. this is not how a conversation is supposed to look. i'll be back when you sober up.

To address the original question, it's not to be proven that God doesn't exist.

Given how intangible it is be default, it's for believers to convince the rest of us that he does exist. When I see some real evidence, I'll get down on my knees with the rest of you, I promise.

1. Let X be a proof that God does not exist.
2. God is omnipotent.
3. (2): Therefore, God has the capability to exist despite X.
4. (1, 3): Therefore, X is not a proof that God does not exist.
5. (1, 4): Therefore, a proof that God does not exist, cannot exist.

The whole enterprise - be it theism or atheism - is a colossal waste of time. Neither one is provable, so you'll have to use some other policy to decide what to do.

Me, I prefer to keep things simple, and theism has far too many unanswerable questions to be simple. I don't have any time for ineffability.

Atheism has unanswered questions, but that's different: we stand a chance of finding out the answers eventually.

(That's without even going into Religion. I don't really want to get into that, because concepts like original sin are so obscene that I tend to lose my temper).

Source and context?

Dude, seriously?

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God."


The reason I like Jesus so much, and I consider myself saved through him, is the way he reconciled the metaphysical with the physical, nature and men with God. With his teaching and way of life. But some people still choose to see a huge gap between them, when it is already closed. The parables(where he compared the "kingdom of God" with simple images taken from nature and everyday life) are a prime example of this, Jesus' own life the biggest of all of course.

I stand by my remark. Religions would have a much better chance of being taken seriously if they got people less defensive and confused, and ditched the para/super natural elements. We have a lot of real-life demons and devils(poverty,illiteracy,poisoning of the environment,lies) to worry about than a supernatural one.

Nietche was very right when declaring God "dead". He didn't mean it as most people think, he meant that the idea of God(either it's real or not) has long stopped being productive. For many people, religion means you should rub yourself in shame,guilt and pain and wait for God to relieve you from your terrible sins, which you have just because you're human. What a fucking depressing thought.The "original sin" was believing you are "wise" when you're an idiot, and decide to behave as "god on earth". Newborn infants clearly don't have it in any other way except as a potential, because they will be raised in this society and they will, most probably, commit it later. At least that's the way I view things.

After realizing that (IMHO) gods and such are the ridiculous imaginings of primitive people before our species discovered science, I used to waste time arguing about religion on the internet (you can probably find some of it in the gamedev.net archives if that sort of thing turns you on).

I have since discovered that it is pointless to argue, since all sides of the debate will never give up on their viewpoint. And then it eventually turns ugly.

So now, when I bother thinking about religion / non-religion at all, I focus not on the details of everyone's unprovable opinions, but instead on something that actually affects the real world: civil rights. It does upset me that in a day and age when racism and homophobia are frowned upon (and illegal in some contexts), it is still alright to (figuratively) shit on atheists publicly.