switch, use it for a while, explore all the new stuff, and you'll never switch back. tons of tiny and big reasons. it's 9 years of technological evolution beyond xp, and it shows. usability, speed, compatibility to new technologies, stability, design are all categories in which windows evolved massively. get over your old habits and learn the new, it's worth it.

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The IE9 user interface, like every other browser these days, looks just like Chrome.

And Chrome's UI is very similar to Opera's, though judging by your benchmark using a rather out-of-date copy of Opera I guess you don't care much for it. [wink]

Man, Opera users really have some kind of persecution-victim complex. You wouldn't believe the number of people angry about that on my blog comments and Slashdot :-)

I re-ran with 10.62, and it made a consistent, measurable improvement (63 -> 76 FPS), but it's still solidly in 2nd place.

I think it's interesting that IE9's default setup uses less screen space than my deliberately minimal Firefox 3.6 setup. Of course, IE9 doesn't show the menu bar unless you press alt, and when you do, clicking on view->toolbars->menu bar does absolutely nothing. Not to mention that the gear button in the upper right hand corner gives you a set of menus that is similar to but not the same as the menu bar for seemingly no reason.

Still, I think there is potential. I haven't tried the latest Firefox beta yet, I hear it's also similar to chrome now.

they're all similar to chrome now.. (or, to opera, for the opera fanatics :))

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they're all similar to chrome now.. (or, to opera, for the opera fanatics :))

I know, that's why I said "also similar to chrome." Honestly, I'm not sure if that's really the best. I've had Firefox configured pretty much exactly the same way for a long time now and so far I've never really been compelled to want anything new.

I used Chrome for the longest time, but now I'm using IE9 as my default browser. It does everything I need it to, at a speed I find acceptable, and I like the aesthetic direction (the back/forward buttons are nice). The only feature I think it's missing is some sort of bookmark syncing functionality through LIVE ID like Chrome does through the Google account. If IE9 gets that, I'll be a perfectly happy camper.

hope it gets it with winmo7.

besides, i could be quite happy. but ads? no, thanks. adfree since firefox 1 (now on chrome), never looking back. can't stand them. esp. the flash ones. esp. on a laptop burning my battery, or a slow system burning my snappiness.

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they're all similar to chrome now.. (or, to opera, for the opera fanatics :))

I know, that's why I said "also similar to chrome." Honestly, I'm not sure if that's really the best. I've had Firefox configured pretty much exactly the same way for a long time now and so far I've never really been compelled to want anything new.

people and change.. always think they lose something when doing it :) drop your menu, you never need it (if you need PARTS of it, get buttons for those). etc.. evolve, enhance, optimize. the only bad thing is stagnation. never think about "do i need it?" while you haven't tried it for a week, or a month. and then tried to step back again, noticing what big and small things you missed.

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they're all similar to chrome now.. (or, to opera, for the opera fanatics :))

I know, that's why I said "also similar to chrome." Honestly, I'm not sure if that's really the best. I've had Firefox configured pretty much exactly the same way for a long time now and so far I've never really been compelled to want anything new.

people and change.. always think they lose something when doing it :) drop your menu, you never need it (if you need PARTS of it, get buttons for those). etc.. evolve, enhance, optimize. the only bad thing is stagnation. never think about "do i need it?" while you haven't tried it for a week, or a month. and then tried to step back again, noticing what big and small things you missed.

A week, maybe. A month, no. There is no reason a web browser should take more than a week, maybe even two, to adjust to. I mean, when I initially switched from Internet Explorer to Firefox, there was no waiting period, but they were by no means the same. Firefox started out better, and, over time, I configured it to be exactly how I like it which was better still.

Your attitude seems to be assuming that everyone uses the same features that you use with the same frequency, and if they don't, it's their problem. As it turns out, there are enough things in the menu that I use with some regularity that it would be a waste of space to put all of them on any of the main bars individually, but, like I said, I use them often enough that I like them sorted in a way that I don't have to make more than two clicks to get to them. Hence, they are organized exactly to my liking.

This is not fear of change. This is lack of interest in the latest fad which happens to be "instead of having a menu that could easily fit in the unused space above the tabs (on the same horizontal row as the minimize, maximize, and close buttons), make a button that brings up this menu in an unnecessarily awkward location."

That said, IE9 seems nice enough in some other ways that I am going to use it for a while, but the lack of menu is not a feature.

the app doesn't take much to adopt (5-10 minutes). but the USERS do. so i always say "one month" to users that have to learn something new. learn it for one month, then try to go back if you want. no one goes back.

and, lack of a menu is a gain. why? perfection is not about not being able to add anything, but about not being able to remove anything anymore. the menu is something users normally never should need to touch (there are around 100 commands in the menu. who needs around 100 commands available for browsing the web? all the time?).

menus in general are an outdated structure, that normally can be overcome with better solutions (read 'the office 2007 bible', it's awesome for learning ui design and design decisions).

and no, it's not the latest fad. it's you not learning new stuff, as usual (it's about always that).

if you use the menu often, then the application does not provide you with the functionality in a more simple, easy to use way. or why do you have buttons, too? why did buttons got invented? why not everything menu? browse to? a menu point. back? a menu point. reload? a menu point.

why not? because a menu is NOT the best way to use stuff that are in frequent need.

but ui design is a complicated thing, and most people are not able to learn it due to too much lock in into their own habits, and the belief they know better, while all they do, is, they just don't move on and learn new stuff.

and yeah, you won't agree, and bla. the usual behaviour.