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Original post by taby Quote: Original post by owl ... This is one of my most favourite papers ever: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v410/n6828/abs/410583a0.html The paper discusses how the eye "sees" multiple types of images, and how these images are processed and combined before they even hit the optic nerve / visual cortex. I'm not talking just colour channels, I'm talking like motion detection channels, edge detection channels, etc. One of the major points of the paper is to highlight the fact that there is a tiny little "mini-brain" in the eye that does some pre-brain computation related to the final image that one "sees".

The Charlie Rose show that I linked to discusses that as well as cases where eyesight was restored in the blind.


What about the dreams of the deaf or the mute? Do the deaf dream of music? Do the mute have voices in their dreams?

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Original post by LessBread Quote: Original post by taby Quote: Original post by owl ... This is one of my most favourite papers ever: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v410/n6828/abs/410583a0.html The paper discusses how the eye "sees" multiple types of images, and how these images are processed and combined before they even hit the optic nerve / visual cortex. I'm not talking just colour channels, I'm talking like motion detection channels, edge detection channels, etc. One of the major points of the paper is to highlight the fact that there is a tiny little "mini-brain" in the eye that does some pre-brain computation related to the final image that one "sees". The Charlie Rose show that I linked to discusses that as well as cases where eyesight was restored in the blind. What about the dreams of the deaf or the mute? Do the deaf dream of music? Do the mute have voices in their dreams?

Will they ever be able to share their experiences?
If so: ask them.
If not: it doesn't matter.

Aren't you guys tired of these useless philosophy stuff?
I can tell you: you won't find answers, Because there are no final answers. Especially if you do this useless thinking.

Do you remember that Monty Python scene about the philosopher reporter, you finally jumps out of the window after asking "why is why??" or something like that? I would love to find it, but I can't.

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Original post by szecs Aren't you guys tired of these useless philosophy stuff? I can tell you: you won't find answers, Because there are no final answers. Especially if you do this useless thinking.

Yeah, let's give up now and stop trying to investigate things we don't understand! Who's with us? We'll plop down in front of the TV and turn on the mental cruise control!

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Original post by LessBread What about the dreams of the deaf or the mute? Do the deaf dream of music? Do the mute have voices in their dreams?

Along the same lines, do the deaf think in sign language, or do they have some kind of "voice", despite the fact they may have never heard one.

I have a deaf aunt, and I've never really asked her.

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Original post by Rattrap Along the same lines, do the deaf think in sign language, or do they have some kind of "voice", despite the fact they may have never heard one.

You might be interested in reading Oliver Sack's book Seeing Voices.

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Original post by LessBread How could a person who had never seen know whether or not they were seeing in their dreams? The Hurovitz paper doesn't address that question explicitly.

How do you know you're seeing now? If you can recognize that you are perceiving images, what's to say a blind person couldn't recognize that they're perceiving images too?

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Original post by DaWanderer Quote: Original post by szecs Aren't you guys tired of these useless philosophy stuff? I can tell you: you won't find answers, Because there are no final answers. Especially if you do this useless thinking. Yeah, let's give up now and stop trying to investigate things we don't understand! Who's with us? We'll plop down in front of the TV and turn on the mental cruise control!

Well, if you don't recognize the difference between thinking about useful things and useless things then yes, you should plop down in front of the TV and turn on the mental cruise control.

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Original post by LessBread ...

I'm sorry, I didn't look at that particular link. :( I usually do look at your links though.

I am interested to know if someone without a tongue would be able to "taste" things in their dreams. Do you ever taste things in your dreams? I don't, as far as I can recall.

I wonder if synesthesia is possible in dreams. For instance, do deaf people "see" noise in their dreams (instead of hearing it)? I'm not talking about Batman-style "POW!!" bubbles appearing out of thin air. :) Perhaps something more subtle.

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Original post by szecs ...

According to Roberta Williams, a verified computer god, her and her husband designed and coded their first home computer video game creations as a way for their audience to avoid sitting in front of the TV on mental cruise control.

If I had not played King's Quest, Space Quest, etc., in the 1980s when I was young, I would most certainly not have been able to develop into an analytical creature. I also learned to play Thexder, which was published in North America for PC by Sierra. Please buy the PS3 remake on the Playstation Network to support the original makers of Thexder!! :D

No analytical skills, no programming. The thought of a reality without the enjoyment of programming scares me.

Fortunately the TV has become more interactive over time. Unfortunately the adventure game genre as a whole took a bloody nosedive in the 1990s, and never seemed to recover fully.

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Original post by Programmer One Yo dawg, I heard you like dreams, so I put a dream in your dream so you can dream while you dream.

I was waiting for the Inception tie-in. Which I thought this thread was hinting to. Oops I was wrong.