Quote: Original post by Benjamin Heath


Bear arms.

(Seriously, this was what I assumed zedz meant, and not the other thing that's all serious-y.)

LMAO! I haven't seen that one! lol!

Quote: (Seriously, this was what I assumed zedz meant, and not the other thing that's all serious-y.)

yes, well my post was a (however weak) joke post Im surprised not many ppl 'got it'

Quote: GD members are towards the high end of the educational and intelligence spectrums

perhaps so, then again I ask you why did some here not get such a blatently obviously wordplay joke

Quote: Original post by zedz

Quote: GD members are towards the high end of the educational and intelligence spectrums

perhaps so, then again I ask you why did some here not get such a blatently obviously wordplay joke

Poe's law.

Ok, you want something to take up arms over?

How about this? Congress rejected a bill that would have provided up to $7.4 billion in aid to people sickened by World Trade Center dust (i.e. the cops and firefighters) because of some bullshit tax cronyism.

On the other side of the world, this sickens me. If was I in New York, I think I would be apoplectic with rage. Seriously,
what

the

fuck!?

Not much angers me enough to act on it. For example, for ChaosEngine's post, I wouldn't want to pay my share of the $7.4 billion ($24?) to help heal people that were coughing up dust. But if some smarter people than me passed a law requiring it, sure, I'll chip in. They probably have a better reason than I could think of, or more empathy. This is a similar reason to why I don't vote.

That said, if someone were to hurt me or my family or friends, I would act on it. This doesn't include charging them $24 by law that they don't want to pay.

Honestly, my loyalty to my country is flimsy at best, and in most cases, likely nonexistent. I am currently in the USA, and if I thought Canada could offer me everything I have now, plus a ham sandwich, I'd happily turn my back on the US.

Quote: Original post by GameCreator
But if some smarter people than me passed a law requiring it, sure, I'll chip in.

When did a smart person get into government? Anywhere? Seriously. These are people (99.9% of them, leaving myself a small out) that couldn't create a successful business if their life depended on it. Sadly the lifeblood of this country are those types of businesses (big mega ones are evil I am also excluding those, talking more mom & pop < 200 employees) that run this country and keep it going. Yet the government, with most of their "smart" laws puts undue burden on these very same businesses and helps them fail.

What would have to be taken away for me to take up arms? Besides a few obvious things, on a more serious note, my right to have weapons (no, I don't believe it is "God" given since I don't believe in God(s)). Once you disarm the populace you're free to do anything you wish to them (see the Jews in Nazi Germany). No thanks. Government should be scared of the people not the other way round.

Quote: Original post by zedz

Quote: (Seriously, this was what I assumed zedz meant, and not the other thing that's all serious-y.)

yes, well my post was a (however weak) joke post Im surprised not many ppl 'got it'

Quote: GD members are towards the high end of the educational and intelligence spectrums

perhaps so, then again I ask you why did some here not get such a blatently obviously wordplay joke

Yeah, no worries. I sure saw that you were kidding, because I don't think I've ever seen a hint of any supposedly Christian belief or anti-gun control from you at all. You'd think that when a moderator spends a lot of time on the Internet, facetiousness would be pretty easy to spot for what it is.


What would I fight for? To answer honestly, how can I answer in general? When the time comes and a given part of my life is threatened, it is in that moment a judgment call. A generic answer can easily be proven false when reality hits.

Actions > Words.

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Quote: Original post by GameCreator
But if some smarter people than me passed a law requiring it, sure, I'll chip in.

When did a smart person get into government? Anywhere? Seriously.

Actually there are smart people in government, you just don't hear about them because the dumb ones get all the press.

Quote: Original post by Mike2343
These are people (99.9% of them, leaving myself a small out) that couldn't create a successful business if their life depended on it.

Again, that's not true. Entrepreneurs with new jobs - in Congress (2008)

Quote: Original post by Mike2343
Sadly the lifeblood of this country are those types of businesses (big mega ones are evil I am also excluding those, talking more mom & pop < 200 employees) that run this country and keep it going. Yet the government, with most of their "smart" laws puts undue burden on these very same businesses and helps them fail.

The ceiling for "mom & pop" businesses is considerably less than 200. It's more like a dozen. Businesses don't fail because of undue legal burdens. They fail because failure is in the nature of business. Why Do Many Small Businesses Fail?: Over-expansion, Poor capital structure, Overspending, Lack of reserve funds, Bad business location, Poor execution and internal controls, An inadequate business plan, Failure to change with the times, Ineffective marketing and self-promotion, Underestimating the competition. Not a government regulation in sight!

Quote: Original post by Mike2343
Once you disarm the populace you're free to do anything you wish to them (see the Jews in Nazi Germany). No thanks.

Warsaw Ghetto Uprising: The uprising "ended when the poorly armed and supplied resistance was crushed by the German troops. ... 13,000 Jews were killed in the ghetto during the uprising ... [SS] forces suffered 17 killed in action". Don't kid yourself. Armed civilians are no match for a completely ruthless industrial army.

Quote: Original post by Mike2343
Government should be scared of the people not the other way round.

Yes, but... Guns don't scare governments, people scare governments. Governments know how to deal with people with guns that try to scare them. They kill them. Governments have a more difficult time dealing with people without guns, assuming the government isn't totally ruthless.

Would you take up arms against the government if the government sent bulldozers to destroy your home and your neighborhood? Like this: Hundreds homeless as Israel police raze Bedouin village. Would you do it even though it might mean you would be labeled a terrorist and dealt with accordingly? Would you take up arms against your employer if he worked you for 35 hours straight for pennies on the hour? Like this: And now for some good news.