Thank you, Tom. Those resources will definitely come in handy.
Yaustar, maybe I'll just have to go through some kind of part-time night school program for working professionals. I know there are several of those out there.
1. Adrian Walker. I'm not really a 'title' sort of person.
2. Producer
3. Coming on 3 years
4. I've contributed to the development of 9 kids/family friendly games. My current pair of projects, Sesame Street: Elmo's A-to-Zoo Adventure and Sesame Street: Cookie's Counting Carnival, will be on stores in October.
5. An MBA is definitely a selling point, but not a necessity. I have a BS in Computer Graphics Technology. I've met a number of Producers who don't have a degree, but worked their way up through QA instead. The only part time game development job you'll be able to find is possibly a QA position.
6. There is no definitive path. Some Producers come from art, some from programming, some from design, some from QA, and heck, my current Studio Director started out as a Web Developer / Community Manager. QA would certainly be the easiest to get into. The important thing is that whatever you do you need to make sure to kick ass at it.
7. Game Career Guide. Open it in a new tab or just right click and save as. This is the latest edition of the Game Career Guide, published by Game Developer. It provides all sort of info on salaries and 'breaking in'.
8. Producers manage teams. You need to be able to well, demonstrate leadership ability / experience. You also need to demonstrate you know how to get things done and understand the complete development process. There is no one way to do this.
9. Not really, unless you have more specific questions?
Thank you, Adrian. That was profoundly helpful. I'm glad to get the input of a current producer in the industry.
You're right that many producers either don't have a degree or have simply a bachelors. But an MBA is looking more and more appealing to me. If only in an attempt to future-proof my career. It's my belief that as the industry matures the value of a formal education will become more and more apparent, and I would hate to be out of a job someday because some young hotshot with a masters took it.
That's awesome that you had the opportunity to work on the Sesame Street games. I would love to get into the family-friendly aspect of the industry. I feel it's a consumer base that is not fully taken advantage of, or attempted poorly.
I'll bite, but I don't want to disclose too much information.
1. What is your name? Title and surname are adequate. (i.e. Mr. Smith)
pass
2. What position and/or title do you currently hold in the game industry? (i.e. art director, audio technician, etc.)
Technical Director
3. How many years have you worked in the game industry?
10
4. What are some titles that you have shipped which you would consider notable?
Lots - mostly to critical but not financial acclaim: sega soccer slam, NHL Hitz, Need for Speed Hot Persuit. More recently for larger first party developers at my current studio.
5. As I said before, it is my aspiration to become a game producer, and to help in achieving this I will be pursuing a masters in business (possibly through night school). I also plan on finding a job in the industry and working while going to school in order to gain at least two years of experience by the time I graduate. Would you consider this a wise course of action or would you suggest something else?
Do you want to be a producer or a designer? Be clear - some studios call designers producers, which is wrong IMHO. If you are interested in being a producer (ie. administer the schedule, make sure people show up for work, work with the publisher) then go for the MBA if you have the strength. Unfortunately, getting an MBA while working in the industry might be difficult (exhausting). My suggestion would be to spend time getting management experience in a similar industry: software development, QA management, larger team-based organizations. From there, try to break into the industry with management experience. The MBA is something you can get under your belt later, once you've build up some real career experience. I don't think anyone other than our studio head really needs to know that much about business - more about soft skills, mentorship, risk assessment, teamwork and general scheduling strategies.
6. If you answered yes to question 5, and keeping my career goals of a producer in mind, what would be the wisest entry-level position for me to pursue while going to school? (i.e. art, QA, etc.) And why? Please note that the position of a programmer is not an option with my skill set.
See #5 - don't focus just on the games industry. Not only will it suck up all your spare time, you'll not gain a lot of useful experience being a tester. Contrary to popular belief, I feel the stigma of being a tester in a company will haunt your resume for the rest of your career. The impression is that anyone who is willing to do the frustrating job of testing can get a job in QA, so what makes you special now that you have it on your resume? I've seem people come to the industry ice-cold experience wise and get hired of testers because of that stigma. I'm not saying it's fair - but it's true. If you can, you'd be better off trying to get an unpaid internship as an associate/junior producer, or designer. People in QA seem to just be on a three or four year journey where eventually they drift off into something unrelated.
7. In any afore-mentioned entry-level positions, how much can I expect to earn as a yearly salary? And how many hours a week can I expect to work?
Intern? None. QA? you won't work yearly; it's all contract work and low wages. In either case you'll work 40+ hours a week, plus weekends for QA, as long as your contract lasts. If you look for a job outside of the industry, you'll make more. It's going to depend on the market you live in.
8. I currently have several games and numerous art assets in my portfolio. Keeping my career goals of a producer in mind, what should I push in my portfolio to speed myself along that road?
All the good stuff - keep it small and succinct. If you are looking to be producer, highlight those examples where you managed the group, or facilitated dialog. If you did scheduling or task breakdown, highlight that as well.
If, on the other hand, by Producer you mean Designer, then highlight all the design-related tasks.
Don't put anything in there that uses unauthorized content (ripped, or copyright) and make sure it is solid. If you put executables in there, put videos of the game running too, since I won't ever run an untrusted exe.
9. Do you have any advice or comments that you would like to add?
If, by Producer, you mean Design, call it Designer from now on. In the film industry, it is a bad sign when Producers start telling the Director how to make the film - we need to break that habit in this industry as well.
If, by Producer, you mean team management, then I would suggest reading up on all the different management styles (agile, scrumm, etc), and then throw out any conviction you might have that any of those are right - it's a dance where you work collaboratively with your team and sometimes management styles change. Furthermore, gaining the trust of your peers comes through gaining their respect by being honest, accountable and transparent. Producers fail because they cater to the boss instead of their team. No game can be made without the producer - true - but without engineers and artists no producer can keep his job for long.
Thank you, Sphet. That was very detailed. I appreciate the obvious effort.
And I do mean management when I say producer. I have never heard of anyone equating design with producing, although there are line producers.
Your take on QA is very interesting, but the problem with the current market is that there isn't much else out there for someone with little to no experience.
Original post by jthompson166 Thank you, Sphet. That was very detailed. I appreciate the obvious effort.
And I do mean management when I say producer. I have never heard of anyone equating design with producing, although there are line producers.
Your take on QA is very interesting, but the problem with the current market is that there isn't much else out there for someone with little to no experience.
I think that's why I would encourage you to look for opportunities outside the industry. Management experience of any kind is more useful than none. In fact, in our studio, the majority of our producers come from outside the industry and they are good at their jobs.
That's an excellent point, and I'll definitely take it to heart. Management experience should be priority for me right now. If anything, I should be able to fall back onto work such as QA.
