Quote: Original post by swiftcoder
If you have your heart set on MIT, and have the grades to get in, then by all means go for it, but don't regard it as the only place worthwhile to study computer science...

Perhaps it is just because they're local, but both the University of Utah and BYU (if you can handle the standards) are highly rated computer science schools as well.

The schools are also much less expensive.

Some names from the U of U include Evens & Sutherland, Bui Tuong Phong, Henri Gouraud, Edwin Catmull, Jim Blinn, John Warnock (co-founder of Adobe), James Clark (founder of Silicon Graphics), Nolan Bushnell (Atari) and more. BYU has a similar list. Both regularly produce games-related publications, including papers in SIGGRAPH and other major conferences.

Quote: Perhaps it is just because they're local, but both the University of Utah and BYU (if you can handle the standards) are highly rated computer science schools as well.

The schools are also much less expensive.

Some names from the U of U include Evens & Sutherland, Bui Tuong Phong, Henri Gouraud, Edwin Catmull, Jim Blinn, John Warnock (co-founder of Adobe), James Clark (founder of Silicon Graphics), Nolan Bushnell (Atari) and more. BYU has a similar list. Both regularly produce games-related publications, including papers in SIGGRAPH and other major conferences.

Jim Blinn sticks out to me. Sweet.

I did a search for BYU's standards and came up with too many results. (Residential, honor code, etc.) What exactly makes their standards challenging?

Brigham Young University is owned by the Mormon Church. From wikipedia:

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BYU students are required to adhere to an honor code, which mandates behavior in line with LDS teachings (e.g., academic honesty, adherence to dress and grooming standards, and abstinence from extramarital sex and from the consumption of drugs and alcohol).

which I would guess is what frob refers to. Said constraints are a challenge for most. (and I would argue, a detriment to your out-of-classroom college education).

Quote: Original post by Telastyn
Brigham Young University is owned by the Mormon Church. From wikipedia:

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BYU students are required to adhere to an honor code, which mandates behavior in line with LDS teachings (e.g., academic honesty, adherence to dress and grooming standards, and abstinence from extramarital sex and from the consumption of drugs and alcohol).

which I would guess is what frob refers to. Said constraints are a challenge for most. (and I would argue, a detriment to your out-of-classroom college education).

it's also ludicrously dry. I got so many nosebleeds when I visited.

Quote: Said constraints are a challenge for most.

I have three times more red hair than Carrot Top and I was kicked out of a Christian summer camp at age five for screaming I was the spawn of Satan. Think I'll fit in? [disturbed]
But seriously, it does sound like an avoidable burden.

Has anyone had an experience with Carnegie Mellon? It's site is actually easy to navigate. This listing ranks it right below Stanford.

Carnegie Mellon is a very good school.

If you want to get a rough (but certainly not definitive) list of well-known, prestigious schools with highly ranked CS graduate departments, find the common entries among the top 20 in the following two lists:

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-computer-science-schools/rankings

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-universities-rankings

I spotted the following common members:

Harvard
Princeton
CalTech
MIT
Stanford
UPenn
Columbia
Cornell
Brown
Rice

Among those schools, Princeton doesn't accept transfers at all and Stanford has about a 2% transfer acceptance rate so you would need to be incredible academically to transfer there. Cornell and Rice have the highest acceptance rates, and those rates vary from 10-20% depending on the year and, with Cornell, which College you apply to specifically.

There's a lot of variety there. CalTech has extreme focus on technology, mathematics, physics, and to a lesser extent computer science. Expect to get a great but one-dimensional education. CalTech will even give you a mathematics and physics exam as part of the transfer application process--and it's not easy at all. Columbia is the opposite with a rigorous and mandatory liberal arts education. Brown gives you a lot of freedom in choosing your classes. Rice is half-way between CalTech and Columbia--the focus is on science, mathematics, etc., but there's a flexible set of distribution requirements that will have you study some topics outside your major areas. Stanford is similar to Rice in that regard. I don't know much about UPenn or Cornell. And finally I've been told Harvard isn't the best school to go to for CS as an undergraduate, although it is extremely good for mathematics if that's your thing.

To get accepted at any of those besides Princeton you will need a better reason for transferring than just prestige, which is all you've talked about so far. I transferred to one of those schools myself, so I'm fairly knowledgeable about the transfer process.

When you write your transfer essays, you'll need compelling reasons for wanting to transfer. You need to explain to the admissions committee why their school is the only one for you while simultaneously not disparaging your current school, and you'd be best to not even mention prestige. They generally won't admit "prestige hunters."

Don't take this list too seriously. It's a good list, but it's not exhaustive at all. For instance, Carnegie Mellon, a fantastic school for computer science, didn't make the cut because, I suppose, it doesn't have enough "general prestige" (which is more or less what the second US News list deals with, even if they claim otherwise).

That was some EXCELLENT info. Thank you very much! Brown's flexibility may have some appeal.

Quote: You need to explain to the admissions committee why their school is the only one for you while simultaneously not disparaging your current school, and you'd be best to not even mention prestige

I take it interview/resume writing skills overlap with applications?

I'm not 100% sure what you mean by your question. But you will have to write an essay as part of the application explaining why you want to transfer, and it's usually a pretty important part of the application. If it's not compelling, that really increases the odds that you'll get rejected, even if you are an outstanding applicant otherwise.

This is really the currently definitive discussion board for people trying to transfer to such schools. There's tons of great information there and lots of likeminded people.

Quote: Original post by zyrolasting
I take it interview/resume writing skills overlap with applications?

Yes and no. While the basic writing skills are the same, the aim is quite a bit different. When you apply to a company you are generally trying to convince them that you are a good fit for their needs. With a university, you are trying to convince them why they are a good fit for your needs.

That is of course a gross oversimplification, but you get the idea. Each university has thousands of outstanding applicants each year, and the key is to convince them why you will get more out of their program than someone else would.

Quote: That is of course a gross oversimplification, but you get the idea. Each university has thousands of outstanding applicants each year, and the key is to convince them why you will get more out of their program than someone else would.

I'm trying to think how one would word that without talking about themselves too much. I guess like with a company, universities would be impressed if the applicant sounded like they researched them thoroughly.