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Don't let the door hit you on your way out, Texas.

Started by April 16, 2009 11:56 AM
136 comments, last by LessBread 15 years, 6 months ago
Quote: Original post by curtmax_0
The EIC wasn't a traditional company, it was a mercantilistic one like we have in many corps today. Monopolies are essentially impossible without state support.


The BEIC set the pattern for "an investment model that led to the modern limited-liability corporation." Corporations are essentially impossible without state charters. At any rate, that doesn't change the tenor of the original tea party revolt nor the silliness of the tea baggers of 2009.

Quote: Original post by curtmax_0
Also: Glenn Beck is a bit weird. You know he was talking about the same stuff when he was on CNNHN right? It's not just Fox News.


I knew better than to watch him on HLN. The difference now, however, is that his ratings are much better. Did he invite Alex Jones on his show when he was on HLN? Did he talk up the fear of "total police-state control" back when Ashcroft arrested Padilla in Chicago and denied him habeas corpus and due process for five plus years? I don't know for certain, but I'd bet that he thought that was great, the kind of thing that a true American leader does.

Quote: Original post by curtmax_0
And regarding Waco: I've never seen any compelling evidence that they had machine guns, or any types of illegal weapons. None. Zero. .50 calibers? Useless, and not illegal anyways.

Even if they had machine-guns. So what? What's the big deal? The functional difference between a semi-auto and full-auto firearm is generally a sliver of metal. What about an AR-15 with a happy switch, as opposed to one without, warrants killing someone and running over their place with a tank. Especially when you realize that it's a tax law violation to possess a machine-gun without a tax stamp. So you attack someone with tanks because they didn't pay taxes?

Also, it was never shown who set the fire to the Waco compound. There really is no way to know. Considering most police are fascist ass-hats I wouldn't be surprised if they set it. I give it a 50/50. It doesn't really matter. Whatever the ATF wants to say about the Waco incident, it was a dismal failure surpassing Ruby Ridge. Even if the branch davidians did have machine guns and they did set themselves on fire.


Here's a list of Weapons Possessed by the Branch Davidians. You may not find that report credible. It doesn't matter. Koresh and his followers were a bunch of whack jobs whose paranoia got them killed. Jim Jones in West Texas. Suicide by ATF.

The larger point is that irresponsible rhetoric in the media has the potential to inspire borderline personality types to engage in violence. The sad thing is that for Beck et al. it's about making money and little else.

Here's another perspective: US News Media Fails America, Again

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Watching Glenn Beck of Fox News rant about “progressive fascism” – and muse about armed insurrection – or listening to mainstream pundits prattle on about Barack Obama as the “most polarizing President ever,” it is hard to escape the conclusion that today’s U.S. news media represents a danger to the Republic.

By and large, the Washington press corps continues to function within a paradigm set in the 1980s, mostly bending to the American Right, especially to its perceived power to destroy mainstream journalistic careers and to grease the way toward lucrative jobs for those who play ball.
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One consequence of this media imbalance is that Republicans feel they can pretty much say whatever they want – no matter how provocative or even crazy – while Democrats must be far more circumspect, knowing that any comment might be twisted into an effective attack point against them.

So, while criticism of Republicans presidents – from Ronald Reagan to the two Bushes – had to be tempered for fear of counterattacks, almost anything could be said against a Democratic president, Bill Clinton or now Barack Obama, who is repeatedly labeled a “socialist” and, according to Beck, a “fascist” for pressuring hapless GM chief executive Rick Wagoner to resign.
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Through talk radio and mailed-out videos, the Right also disseminated accusations that Clinton was responsible for “murders” in Arkansas and Washington. These hateful suspicions about Clinton spread across the country, carried by the voices of Rush Limbaugh and G. Gordon Liddy as well as via videos hawked by Religious Right leader Jerry Falwell.
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Bush skeptics were essentially not tolerated in most of the U.S. news media, and journalists who dared produce critical pieces could expect severe career consequences, such as the four CBS producers fired for a segment on how Bush skipped his National Guard duty, a true story that made the mistake of using some memos that had not been fully vetted.
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Ultimately there is a double standard at work in the media that carries with it vestiges of white privilege. Gallup released a poll yesterday showing that some 60% of the country think the income tax they pay is fair [1], [2]. Instead of hearing that news repeated again and again for a week, we get news about the gripes of the 35% minority again and again and again for a week. The news media is dysfunctional and Beck et al. are prime examples.


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I think Jon Stewart nailed it

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Yes, tyranny. A.K.A. our democratically elected President. You know what guys....I think you might be confusing tyranny with losing. And I feel for you because ah...I've been there. A few times. In fact one of them was a bit of a nail biter. But see, when the guy that you disagree with gets elected, he's probably going to do things you disagree with. He could cut taxes on the wealthy. Remove government's oversight capability. Invade a country that you thought should not be invaded but that's not tyranny. That's democracy.

See now you're in the minority. It's supposed to taste like a s#%t taco. And by the way, if I remember correctly when a disagreement was expressed about that President's actions when ya'll were in power I believe the response was "Why do you hate America?". "Watch what you say." "Love it or leave it." "Suck on my truck nuts."

For god's sake guys. You've been out of power for ten f*%#ng weeks. You've got a mid-term election in twenty months. Pace your rage!


Quote: Original post by Kaze
I think Jon Stewart nailed it

Quote: Daily show
Yes, tyranny. A.K.A. our democratically elected President. You know what guys....I think you might be confusing tyranny with losing. And I feel for you because ah...I've been there. A few times. In fact one of them was a bit of a nail biter. But see, when the guy that you disagree with gets elected, he's probably going to do things you disagree with. He could cut taxes on the wealthy. Remove government's oversight capability. Invade a country that you thought should not be invaded but that's not tyranny. That's democracy.

See now you're in the minority. It's supposed to taste like a s#%t taco. And by the way, if I remember correctly when a disagreement was expressed about that President's actions when ya'll were in power I believe the response was "Why do you hate America?". "Watch what you say." "Love it or leave it." "Suck on my truck nuts."

For god's sake guys. You've been out of power for ten f*%#ng weeks. You've got a mid-term election in twenty months. Pace your rage!


I love the humor this guy use to say such things.
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Quote: Original post by brent_w
Oh, Glen Beck isn't just a little weird.

At present, the man is a whole bag of fries sort of a happy meal.
I am quite sure he is well on his way to completely loosing it.


I haven't seen his show for about a year. Maybe I'll watch it sometime and see how much more of a nutter he's become. But honestly who cares? If you don't like the show don't watch it.

Quote: Original post by LessBread
Here's a list of Weapons Possessed by the Branch Davidians. You may not find that report credible. It doesn't matter. Koresh and his followers were a bunch of whack jobs whose paranoia got them killed. Jim Jones in West Texas. Suicide by ATF.


Hmmm. First of all. The number of weapons and amount of ammunition recovered is irrelevant. There is no 'maximum' number of weapons you are allowed to own in the US. I'm 21 and already own 20+. I guess I have an 'arsenal' and I 'stockpile' ammunition.

Secondly.. the 'grenades' appeared to inert (Hey.. I own an inert grenade... I bought it from a military museum or something when I was a kid), or were practice grenades. Now, the practice grenades might still be illegal, but not necessarily the same as a real grenade.

About the only thing that seems illegal is the suppressors found, although I wouldn't be surprised if they just found pipes and called them suppressors, or they were mock suppressors. Also, the weapons converted to 'full-auto' supposedly. It looks like the FBI tested them, which is strange because the ATF normally does that. The ATF has no standardized test for firearms though. They will rig up a firearm with new parts, and get it to fire two shots with one trigger pull before the firearm explodes and call it a 'machine-gun'. Hell, a shoestring can be a machine gun according the ATF.

Ultimately though, these people died for a tax violation. The ATF was part of the Dept. of Treasury until recently. Just make sure you pay your taxes... or you might get a tank rolling over your house.
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Quote: Original post by brent_w
Oh, Glen Beck isn't just a little weird.

At present, the man is a whole bag of fries sort of a happy meal.
I am quite sure he is well on his way to completely loosing it.


I haven't seen his show for about a year. Maybe I'll watch it sometime and see how much more of a nutter he's become. But honestly who cares? If you don't like the show don't watch it.


I used to view glen as one of the more sane pundits but he kinda went off the deep end when the republicans lost.
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Quote: Original post by Samith
Right, because seceding would solve their problems. The Texan economy would be destroyed if they seceded from the nation.


Why do you say that?

A) Texans hold massive amounts of oil in the ground and off the coast. Oil that is currently not drilled because of government regulations.
B) Texans control a majority of the oil refineries domestically.
C) Texans control the pipeline that supplies the southeastern united states with gas
D) Texans control one of the largest trade lanes for domestic transportation and sea transportation to the middle of the country.

If you lived in the southeast about 6 months ago you'll understand how vital Texas is to our daily lives. The oil pipe was down for a few days and we ran out of gas for weeks.

Not to mention that any secessionist country could instantly make millions if not billions of dollars by legalizing gambling, prostitution, and marijuana.

I would ask what the country provides to Texas that it is an incentive to stay in the union? Other than a currency which can be converted to a gold standard, and a military which it could probably provide on it's own since Texans are gun crazy.
Quote: Original post by curtmax_0
Hmmm. First of all. The number of weapons and amount of ammunition recovered is irrelevant. There is no 'maximum' number of weapons you are allowed to own in the US. I'm 21 and already own 20+. I guess I have an 'arsenal' and I 'stockpile' ammunition.

Secondly.. the 'grenades' appeared to inert (Hey.. I own an inert grenade... I bought it from a military museum or something when I was a kid), or were practice grenades. Now, the practice grenades might still be illegal, but not necessarily the same as a real grenade.


Did you LOOK at the list of 'fake' grenades they had? I can accept someone owning one or two dummy grenades, but they apparently had over 300, 100 of which sound like they were being modified to fairly quickly add the explosives and fuses to. And if you think that is hard, you're fooling yourself.

Yeah, the whole issue was a complete screw up, but don't kid yourself and call that group 'innocent' of anything and everything. Yeah the government failed and dealt with it completely wrong and things went far worse than they needed to, but neither side was perfect angels in this.
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@Church:

I agree. If Texas did succeed it could quickly make up for deficits from no federal grants. Texas has a TON of oil and also a good high-tech sector. It's a huge state. You should try driving from one side to the other some time ;) You'd also have a ton of people migrating to Texas, and it'd become a huge place for 'crazy right wing people'.

Texans aren't gun crazy though. They were one of the last states to allow people to carry firearms, and it's one of the handful of states that doesn't allow carrying firearms unconcealed. Yeah. If you dress up as a cowboy and carry a single-action army in a 1800s style holster you will go to jail. Yay Texas.

The whole Joe Hibbel (or whatever his name was, the guy that shot the two burglars) was a rarity. I, personally, wouldn't live in Texas just because of their ass-backwards gun laws. Also, the state is pretty boring. The only redeeming factor is good BBQ (The folks here in Alabama don't know how to make BBQ correctly.. pork is teh ew) and TexMex.

If Chuck Norris were president I would immediately move there out of principle. Seriously. I don't care how horrible it is there, I could tell people that I lived in a country with Chuck Norris as pres.

@Talroth:

Yeah, and they weren't planning on actually using anything but against.. oh.. wait.. what's that? The federal govt. I guess the ATF has fun in fulfilling crackpot predictions about the end of the world. That will surely make them come out peacefully when you fulfill every single 'prophecy' of their crackpot leader.
Quote: Original post by ChurchSkiz
Not to mention that any secessionist country could instantly make millions if not billions of dollars by legalizing gambling, prostitution, and marijuana.


Assuming Texas would legalize all what you say. Don't forget Texas resides in the very conservative Bible Belt.

Quote: Original post by ChurchSkiz
I would ask what the country provides to Texas that it is an incentive to stay in the union? Other than a currency which can be converted to a gold standard, and a military which it could probably provide on it's own since Texans are gun crazy.


There is a big difference between a bunch of gun wielding cowboys vs. a well trained military force. We're not living colonial days anymore.

Quote: Original post by curtmax_0
If Chuck Norris were president I would immediately move there out of principle. Seriously. I don't care how horrible it is there, I could tell people that I lived in a country with Chuck Norris as pres.


Yes, well, except for the fact that Chuck Norris is actually an asshole, even if he does have a fist behind his beard.

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