Quote: Original post by Captain Goatse
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You're off-topic, and you have no point. Please go away.

Zealotry is unproductive whether it is for or against a product/idea/person/object. Dismissing C# because of the iPhone is a non-sequitur: you're comparing a programming language to a hardware configuration? Then you admit that you're really not making a technical comparison at all; you're talking about the excitement that surrounds the products. A more apt comparison would be the iPhone and App Store to Xbox360 and XNA/XBLA. I'll never understand why so many people struggle with analogies.

Just stop. C# is irrelevant to the discussion. There's been a lot of really stupid trolling in this thread, and it's this close to being closed for inanity. The question is which of the available Mac models would be best for ApochPiQ's needs; discussions of the relative merits of Visual Studio and XCode, or the GCC version included with Leopard, or even the mouse acceleration curve and trackpads on Macs are all just religion. Y'all grow the fuck up.

Slightly off-topic, but to me all of this PC vs MAC bickering comes from just one thing: each person's need to justify their investment in the product.

People go out and buy something, and then try to force as many other people as they can into buying the same thing. The louder advocates are usually the people most insecure about where they put their money. At least that's my take on it.

Oluseyi:
calm down man, the topic really exhausted itself on first page. It really is amusing to point out something not so good about macs, and then observe mac users go on with their insecurity (going even as far as to claim its others whom are insecure), or shout "la la la I don't hear you its religion".
Yes, if Macs are religion, then I'm atheist.

Quote: Original post by Wavarian
Slightly off-topic, but to me all of this PC vs MAC bickering comes from just one thing: each person's need to justify their investment in the product.

People go out and buy something, and then try to force as many people as they can into buying the same thing. The louder advocates are usually the people most insecure about where they put their money. At least that's my view on it.

QFT.

Quote: Original post by Oluseyi

Quote: Original post by Captain Goatse
<stuff>

You're off-topic, and you have no point. Please go away.

Zealotry is unproductive whether it is for or against a product/idea/person/object. Dismissing C# because of the iPhone is a non-sequitur: you're comparing a programming language to a hardware configuration? Then you admit that you're really not making a technical comparison at all; you're talking about the excitement that surrounds the products. A more apt comparison would be the iPhone and App Store to Xbox360 and XNA/XBLA. I'll never understand why so many people struggle with analogies.

Just stop. C# is irrelevant to the discussion. There's been a lot of really stupid trolling in this thread, and it's this close to being closed for inanity. The question is which of the available Mac models would be best for ApochPiQ's needs; discussions of the relative merits of Visual Studio and XCode, or the GCC version included with Leopard, or even the mouse acceleration curve and trackpads on Macs are all just religion. Y'all grow the fuck up.

I hate to call you out on this Oluseyi ... but it happens so rarely I just gotta do it. Weren't you just discussing the merits of visual Studio and XCode one page back?

BOOM!

Just playing with ya...

Anyway -- back on topic: I plan on getting a 13" MB this spring. I've had my 15" G4 PowerBook for 4 years now, and it is time for an upgrade. I didn't want to go the desktop route, and I don't think the MacBook Pro is really worth the extra $$ they ask for it compared to the MB -- especially where I would prefer the 13". Anyone tried the new MB and MBPro side-by-side?

Quote: Original post by Captain Goatse
C# is very interesting language, but it doesn't have interesting or inspiring atmosphere revolving around it. It is like the ultimate stereotype of that fat square Microsoft guy from Apple advertisements.

omg.

Olu, this thread is absolutely brilliant, don't close it please. Its not like lounge is technical forum(where religion or politics would have been unacceptable). Its more like a forum where people go after work to went steam and to read some lulz.
edit: and there was no personal insults so far, nor anything else forbidden by rules. If you close the thread, the impression would be... a mac user who is moderator is so insecure he closed the thread.

[Edited by - Dmytry on March 2, 2009 12:51:47 PM]

Quote: Original post by Dmytry
Oluseyi:
calm down man..

I'm perfectly calm. This thread didn't get at all heated until you entered it with the same complaints you make in every Mac-related thread. It's tiresome. We get it, you don't like Macs. Let's all move on.

Quote: Original post by visage
I hate to call you out on this Oluseyi ... but it happens so rarely I just gotta do it. Weren't you just discussing the merits of visual Studio and XCode one page back?

I guess you missed this bit:

Quote: Mileage, opinions and experience vary. Use what works for you and embrace the notion that there is no "better" platform or OS or IDE in the same way that there is no "better" programming language - one thing, at least, that I think we can all agree on? [smile]

Quote: Original post by Dmytry
edit: and there was no personal insults so far, nor anything else forbidden by rules. If you close the thread, the impression would be... a mac user who is moderator is so insecure he closed the thread.

Users are complaining to me privately about the anti-Mac trolling in this and other threads. I'm not inclined to close because of my participation, nor am I inclined to censure you because of your penchant for being a drama queen. But the possibility still exists. Everyone will get over it, eventually.

Quote: Original post by Dmytry

I do develop for mac. My development platform is Linux based (quadcore, 4gb ram, etc etc), and I did set up cross-compilers for windows and mac. I can build any of or all 4 targets (windows, linux 32 bit, linux 64 bit, intel mac) from one IDE with press of single button, and make re-distributable packages with press of another. Productivity-wise it seems to be the best option. You do have to waste 1 or 2 days setting up cross-development tools, but it pays off IMO in the long run - i only wish i did that earlier, as i spent more time getting used to os x and xcode than i spent setting up crosscompiler . I have cutting edge toolchain with gcc 4.3.3, while what you get from apple is AFAIK still stuck with gcc 4.0.1

Hopping between two or three IDEs has very big negative impact on productivity. Especially, hopping between different operating systems. Same for using outdated compiler for one target but up to date for another.

What flavor of Linux are you running? And what IDE do you use for Mac, PC and Linux development? I'm thinking of installing Linux on my PC and buying a Mac-mini so I could do some cross platform development.

Quote: Original post by Oluseyi
Users are complaining to me privately about the anti-Mac trolling in this and other threads.

Interesting.

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I'm not inclined to close because of my participation, nor am I inclined to censure you because of your penchant for being a drama queen. But the possibility still exists. Everyone will get over it, eventually.

ahh right there we go - going personal. You really aren't moderator material, you know that?

Quote: Original post by Dmytry
ahh right there we go - going personal. You really aren't moderator material, you know that?

You realize moderators are allowed to get personal so long as they don't overstep their boundaries? Just sayin'.

Quote: Original post by Dmytry
You really aren't moderator material, you know that?

Read the tag. It says "Staff", not "Moderator".

But then, since I'm closing this thread, I must not be moderator material either.


This got really out of hand and frankly I'm a bit pissed off at several of the participants for dragging up a holy war in what was a perfectly good thread. Time for that nonsense to stop.

I appreciate those of you who have contacted me here and via PM with your feedback on the relevant question.