I agree, trying to actually make a game has tought me alot. Every step of the way I''m learning something new. Whether it''s learning how to calculate normals or learning mfc so I can make an editor. At this point I am going to have to write it all-I hope once I have an editor and an engine going that I''ll be able to find people to help make maps/models/textures/sound since that can take just as much time! If only I had more time =)