spaanoft - "And for those 19 years there would be people who could name comparable, or the original copies of these technologies. You seem to only see the one side of the wall."

He must be using backface culling!

BTW: I have''t hard form any of you Linux guys on what would be the best way to set up a linux development system!?!?
Specificaly, what distrabution, software (something like the VC++ ide?) and any usefull utilities!?!? please e-mail me with ideas - avian@prairie.lakes.com
Also, I want to set it up with two vid cards I have available a Matrox Mystque(PCI), ATI All-In-Wonder Pro(PCI) and S3 Virge/GX (AGP) How would I do this?

In an attempt to add a little productivity to this thread..

AvianRR, in terms of distributions, I can only say my favorite is debian followed by RedHat. Everyone has their own opinion on which is the best, and arguing the merits of each would go in circles. I think RedHat might be a little easier to set up but in the long run I''ve found Debian''s packaging system to be a bit better.

As for development environments, my advice to you is to just use the standard UNIX tools. There are IDEs out there but I''ve never found any of them worth switching to. Pick an editor like emacs (my personal favorite) or vi and learn it well. Learn to use the debugger, gdb (and/or one of the graphical frontends to it, if that makes you more comfortable). Get a copy of gcc/g++ for compiling. Read about make and how to create Makefile''s - its the Linux equivalent of a project file. I''ve done all that and it seems like a lot but its really not. And in the end I find that using these simple tools I can be as productive as I am under CodeWarrior (on the Mac) and Visual C++ (on Windows). The added advantage is that these are all very standard tools so I can sit down at almost any Linux/UNIX machine and be reasonably certain that most of these will be available to me.

If you want to learn to program for XWindows, I''d suggest learning on of the many toolkits out there, rather than programming directly with X (I''ve found it to make a lot of things easier). Personally I prefer to use gtk (or its C++ counterpart gtk--), but there are a couple others (qt for instance). If you want to get into game programming, I would check out the SDL library (www.libsdl.org).

I hope this is at least somewhat informative (and sorry for being so off topic).

to see what cards are supported see http://www.xfree86.org/

of course everyone has their opions mine are

my personal fav distrubtion is SuSE http://www.suse.org
i like the KDE window setup http://www.kde.org/
a nice programming IDE is kdevelop http://www.kdevelop.org/

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thanks, that was informative.

I don''t think that myself or anyone said that Linux didn''t crash.

ANDREW RUSSELL STUDIOS
Web site coming soon...

It may not have been said overtly but it''s constantly implyed with statements like "you never have to reboot linux" or "Linux never locks up" or "My server hasn''t been rebooted in 5 yrs."
I just realized something interesting here. If your system hasn''t been down for 5 yrs that means it cant be any newer than a 486 with maybe a 1-2G harddrive! Not much for computing power there! If it still does it''s job why upgrade? The thing with Windows is that microsoft has brainwashed executives into thinking they have to have the lates version or there company will suddenly fall apart!
Case in point, Nickys boss spent $2000 on windows 2k and a bunch of tools for there network when they weren''t anywhere close to neading to upgrade anything. Then ended up spending the next six months trying to re-install and reconfigure everything because there boss said that there old system couldn''t do anything!
Another friend of mine works for a consulting firm and he said that 90% of the nt4 to w2k upgrades he did last summer were for that exact same reason!
If not for those hair brained exec''s many of those systems would have uptimes of years too!

no, i did mean artistic

there is no good theme for linux. They are all unprofessional and non-standard. i know ms didn''t invent SQL, im not that stupid. I said (meant) that they simply have the technology (like SQL Server and the rest of Microsoft backoffice) that linux cannot have. The reason for this is because it is free operating system. (now your probably thinking i am really autistic). But what I mean is that with open source, nobody is really making any money. Yes I know some distrubutions are sold on some shelves, but do you see huge corporations sending there servers to KDE to put a $16,000(win2k datacenter) operating system on their computer?
Yes I know ms didn''t invent XML, however they are the people that support it and keep it going. If it weren''t for MS, XML would have flopped worse than Coke II (which is a coca-cola rip off that was rated the biggest flop in history if anyone didn''t know).
Another thing i forgot to mention was that linux promoters are netscape promoters. As a web developer, netscape has caused my 1,000 hours of headaches because of its non-standard programming ways. Yes, I know netscape 6 is out which (supposedly) supports everything that IE does, but not even a whole %1 of the industry uses it!
You can (try) to argue that linux is better than win2k (i dont see how you could for anybody that has actually SEEN win2k), but you cannot argue that netscape is better than IE. Its a dead beat topic.
I think some people on this messageboard are confusing win2k with win95. I could be wrong. Many linux users seem to think that win2k did to win98 what win98 did to win95 (in other words nothing). For all those people who still think that, its not. Win2k is an entirely different operating system.

I use win2k cause everthing is very standard, everything is integrated into the OS, it is the most professional looking operating system, everyone uses it, and it is by far, hands down, the most stable operating system ever created

One of the most sensible things said in this thread needs to be taken out of context for maximum effect:

Linux is based on the 30 year old philosophy of Unix.

At its heart, Linux is 30 years old.

In Computer Science terms, that''s geriatric. That''s senile.

I USED to run SuSE Linux 6.4, and gave up, because Netscape 6.0 went down every 5 pages, Netscape 4.7 went down on certain pages that I NEEDED to view and Mozilla simply wouldn''t work due to my provider''s proxy configuration.

Yeah, the OS is very stable. Fat lot of use if none of the apps keep working for more than 10 minutes at a time.

I use Windows 2000, and it has never once crashed on me. The only crashes I''ve had at work with Win2k are related to problems with the VIA KT133 chipset, the AGP implementation on that chipset and NVidia graphics cards. These are noise issues, and would bring down ANY Operating System.



People might not remember what you said, or what you did, but they will always remember how you made them feel.
Mad Keith the V.

Umm artistic != standard it doesnt have to be standard or professional to look good. SQL variants are numerous mySQL and postgreSQL are two common ones that are designed for *nix and are both open source.

I wont argue for netscape it sucks and I use opera browser which I prefer to IE.

I dont have time for more now maybe later.

hi d00ds,
just to mention here linux (red hat 6) seems to have a special allergy to sound cards. I''ve got three of them:
Crystal CS4236, Avanace Logic ALS100 and ESS Audodrive (don''t ask me how i got em
When i started linux the first time, hardware wiz came up and succesfully detected each of them when plugged in seperately. Now even with all the setting corrects linux never ever plays sounds on any of ''em. Not to mention all of them being plug and play devices. And now whenever i boot it a messages saying "opl failure" and some other stuff pops and i do not even get the login prompt by default.
Just to mention the sound cards are perfectly okay with windows and windows 98 SE can even run two of them at a time..
I''ve reseearched quite a lot and even digged into the big book called Linux unleashed by Daves Pitts but can''t them to work.

So maybe there are still some big bug in the free OS..

cyanide.