Guys (NINJA) WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON? Here we have a bloke who puts in a hell of a lot more time and effort every month to bringing one of the best OpenGL sites to the masses than you spend with all your complaints. When it comes down to it, this is his stuff. I dont see you saying you''ll give a hand keeping things moving. I am gald he has got round to a site CD, it means I can get a 6-12 monthly update, for a measly $35. I know it will be complete, I wont have to sit on the web waiting for downloads and its a great way WE can give back a little to a decent bloke. Now lets follow yours and the flamers route. So Nehe posts a regularish site copy on the web. They post mirrors which are incomplete and complaints start coming in. Nehe gets peeved and says bugger it. Hmm, great. Like your style Ninja. Get off your behind, earn some honest $''s, give 35 of them to NeHe and stop complaining.