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EDIT: Some really young kids are out there making games right now, with a pirated version of Max 6. How would these 10-15 year old kids use a $5000 program, otherwise? If they want it, they have no choice.

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I want a Diablo. I can''t afford it. I suppose I''ll just go steal it.

The argument holds no water. There are free, if lesser, alternatives to the top-flight packages: Milkshape costs on $20, IIRC (most people spend more than that when they go out on Friday); Blender is free, Wing3D is free...

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EDIT: Some really young kids are out there making games right now, with a pirated version of Max 6. How would these 10-15 year old kids use a $5000 program, otherwise? If they want it, they have no choice.

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This is basically true. People of that age won''t buy a proper copy of these programs. However, if they learn from it they might be future customers. I don''t have a problem with that while they don''t make money with it.
However, they should be smart enough to hide that they have a pirated version. I don''t want these forums to turn into warez (sic) discussions.

However, I do think that digisoap is going at this with a bit too much zeal. "If I THINK you''ve pirated the software, but are not 100% sure, ..." is way overbaord if you ask me. I have seen a lot of cases, where people created the wrong impression because English is not their native tongue (also a good reason why they haven''t understood the tutorial or help file completely). Going against pirated versions is a good thing, but there is no reason to have a Whitecloak attitude about this (if anyone knows Wheel of Time).

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EDIT: Some really young kids are out there making games right now, with a pirated version of Max 6. How would these 10-15 year old kids use a $5000 program, otherwise? If they want it, they have no choice.

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However, I do think that digisoap is going at this with a bit too much zeal. "If I THINK you''ve pirated the software, but are not 100% sure, ..."

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No one forces you to come here. If you don''t like the policies of this forum, don''t visit.

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Exactly what good does it do to ban someone from the forum for pirating? How does it even relate? It''s definitely not going to help stop piracy. It''s pointless.

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Its not pointless. Sites that allow rampant piracy traffic get shut down quite easily. Not mention sued, etc.

BTW, I wish that the next time a moderater wants to post something, that''s not open for discussion, lock the thread.

I am not arguing with the moderator about banning people for pirating. It is HIS forum. But, just because people don''t read the manual does not mean that they pirated it. Most software nowadays comes with electronic manuals (in fact, alot does not even have a printed manual) These are easily obtainable, if not obtainable from the company''s web site. So, you should ban people because they are stupid and don''t rtfm, not for pirating because they ask something that is in the manual.

Hey mr moderator FUCK YOU! think you can ban us for pirating...the some who do can fuck off and leave but really, banning us dumbasses who never read the manuals have questions and i really dont give a fuck if you ban me DICKHEAD!

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Hey mr moderator FUCK YOU! think you can ban us for pirating...the some who do can fuck off and leave but really, banning us dumbasses who never read the manuals have questions and i really dont give a fuck if you ban me DICKHEAD!

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>>How would these 10-15 year old kids use a $5000 program, otherwise?<<
Hmmm, I see what you mean now

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"us dumbasses" is correct, mods can see who you are even though you post as an AP... Just a little heads up

-UltimaX-
Ariel Productions
|Designing A Screen Shot System|

"You wished for a white christmas... Now go shovel your wishes!"

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You know, it''s become pretty obvious recently that a large number of GDNet members who post in this forum are using pirated 2D/3D design software.

So, just so anyone who didn''t hear/read me say it last time, I''ll say it again: ask questions that can be answered by reading the manual, saying you''ve "lost" the manual or "lost" the serial for Character Studio/MAX, can I do this/that/the other in the 3D app I have, which all more or less show that you''ve pirated the app, and you''re goint to be banned, without question, and without warning. If I THINK you''ve pirated the software, but are not 100% sure, you''re going to be set to "Nearly Banned" and will have a week to prove otherwise.

Got it? Good. Think it''s unreasonable? Too bad. So is expecting help from people who''ve paid large sums of money, typically, for the programs you''ve pirated.

This topic is NOT open for discussion.

-Nick "digisoap" Robalik
Web & Print Design, 2D & 3D Illustration and Animation, Game Design
http://www.digital-soapbox.com
nick@digital-soabox.com

[edited by - digisoap on February 20, 2004 10:12:58 PM]

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yes, yes, yes!!!!!
rule with an iron fist you evil dictator you....squash those insolent peasants and their filthy software.


they have to prove their inocence? huh...i always thought you had to prove them guilty....thats in the constitution somewhere isnt it ?

"A soldier is a part of the 1% of the population that keeps the other 99% free" - Lt. Colonel Todd, 1/38th Infantry, Ft. Benning, GA

While most people who use 3DS Max in here probably don''t own it legally, some people never read manuals.

You may hold your own opinions, those people may annoy you, wether because they copy software, or because they are ignorant... But you''re not the FBI, wether people have pirated software or not... You may not condone piracy, and you have the right to mention it, but never assume such things.

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Wow...
I could understand you banning people that are distributing or requesting pirated versions of software, but thats about it. I mean look at all the "how do i link to a lib with VC7?" topics in the programming forums, should they all be banned too? If everyone with pirated software was banned from all the forums gamedev would be dead (everyone would have the manual, so no need for gamedev :''( )...

I have over $7000 worth of pirated production software (i do pay for games! well most of them...) on my computer, now how the hell am i suppose to afford to pay for all of it while going to university? All i am using it for is learning, so i dont see the harm done. On top of this, when I go for a job interview once i graduate I will have exp with these tools so people will higher me and then buy license for the tools.

My exp with my pirated software has already landed me 3 internships, including my one with EA this summer... Also, i introduced one of my bosses at my last internship to a profiler that i had been using (piratedly) and then they bought 3 licenses...

Anyway, thats all i have to say. Well this was my first post in the VA forums, and will probably be my last as i am about to get banned....